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 Posted 07/22/2019  6:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Thanks to all of you, I have learned that the devices are smaller on Machine Doubling,and I've looked at a ton of examples ( thanks Coop and many others on here)
However, I look at a picture in the cherry pickers guide and it looks like it would be considered Machine Doubling.
Does anyone have a different way they "see" a doubled die?
I'll post the pic of where they show doubling.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uh, that's a genuine Doubled Die, not Machine Doubling. It isn't reduced in size. It's actually increased in size.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 07/22/2019  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rabbit - Pic is definitely a DD, not MD. Look at the length of the lower image in relation to the top one.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know it is, it's in the book. What I'm asking is ,what is the difference between what I see in my coin and this picture. Let me post a pic of the 1955d, of mine that I'm sure is machine doubled.

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 Posted 07/22/2019  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yours is not a DDO. The CPG is correct, it is a doubled die. The difference? The over all devices are enlarged by hub doubling. Kind of like the 1909 VDB DDO-001

Note the overall size of the devices are enlarged. While they look like MD, the size is enlarged. It takes seeing side by side of them to tell for sure:

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 07/22/2019  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh my gosh! Ok, so the enlarged devices are the key, and not the lines..or look of a doubled image? Sorry if that's a dumb question.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rabbit, the main thing to be able to see is what a normal design element should look like compared to the one you are questioning. These two images are from Coppercoins ( in the past Bob gave me permission to use the images on the site as long as I gave Coppercoins credit). The first image is a normal 9 from one of the rpm's and the second is ddo-001.
It's when you compare the anomaly to a normal design element then you can determine hub doubling or Machine Doubling. Here you can see the hub doubled ddo-001 numeral 9 is larger than normal. Were the line of doubling inside the normal dimensions of that years 9 then it would be Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rabbithole1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys for your replies! So would this one be something to look into? It's a side by side of dates on a 1942 s walking liberty, the 2 is obviously huge in comparison to the normal 2 .
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 Posted 07/23/2019  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be some damage combined with some flattening from circulation
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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought I took that image.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/23/2019  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guess I should have asked you instead of Bob !
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