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Real Or Fake 17th Century Poland?

 
 
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 Posted 08/19/2019  3:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am having a hard time deciding on whether these coins currently up for auction on eBay are authentic or not.

1658 Ort, Gdansk
On eBay:



Authentic coin:


1662 Ort, Torun
On eBay (same seller)



Authentic coin:


My gut tells me the first one is OK, and the second one is fake.
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08/19/2019 5:56 pm
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 Posted 08/19/2019  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd pass on both.

The first has very fine sharp-edged lines, most noticeable on the lips and in the fields in front of the face. Evidence of recent manufacture.

Hair detail is too even and flat on the second.

I passed on the 1563 Swedish Klippe from the same seller. Many fine sharp edged features on this one. The 1724 Russian Poltina doesn't look right either.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdz, I don't like the shape of the letter Ss on the second piece.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I form an overall impression of a seller from how many suspect coins I see in their listings. This helps me decide whether to take a chance on the one I'm interested in. If there are several that look like fakes, I pass on them all.

Another red flag is in the seller's description of every lot:

"If for any reason you feel like you may be unhappy with buying this coin or feel like you might complain after receiving it please refrain from bidding."

which to me means:

"if you are going to be upset that you bought a fake and were ripped off, then don't bid."
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 Posted 08/19/2019  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If there are several that look like fakes, I pass on them all.


Yes very good.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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 Posted 08/19/2019  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys for the advice.

Agree there is a lot that looks wrong about the second one. Even some basic stuff like the coin is too round and well centered (not to mention the abnormal patina).

This seller's stuff seems to range from obvious fakes (that even I can tell) to very well made fakes to real stuff...


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 Posted 09/01/2019  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

A Swedish coin dealer posted a warning on Facebook, about the fake 16 ore Erik XIV klippe sold by "Breggmann".

The Breggmann coin is in the third picture below:



Glad I passed on it!

While some of the coins for sale by this dealer may be authentic, I will follow the advise to "never drink from a poisoned well" and avoid all of them.
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 Posted 09/03/2019  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Check giedrius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add giedrius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Polish colleagues about the first counterfeit "... a na eBayu "breggmann" znowu oferuje "star#261;" Polsk#281;: tym razem orta gda#324;skiego 1658: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Poland-Ort-...123868202896
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Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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