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1973 S Eisenhower Dollar(S) Proof - Tripled Dies - No Clue How To Attribute

 
 
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 Posted 09/09/2019  11:29 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Doubled die, tripled die, or master die. I have no idea and am finding no reasonable resource online to work out these two proof Ike's. Both are 1973-S and both show tripling.

These are way too hard to photograph for me to go around the whole coin showing all the doubling and whatnot. Just really asking if and how one goes about getting attributes on such things.

Thanks!

First one is really quite strongly doubled with some tripling showing.





Second one has nice tripling and doubling elsewhere.



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 Posted 09/10/2019  01:48 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should email James Wiles these pictures and see what he thinks. Nice Tripled Die Reverse!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 09/10/2019  05:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice finds again TB. Proofs are struck at least twice,so is it possible it is a doubled die and MD at the same time?
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 Posted 09/10/2019  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a nice example and all I could find for Ikes on VV was a single example.
http://varietyvista.com/13%20Eisenh...201973-S.htm .
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 Posted 09/10/2019  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice example. Good eyes to find that beauty. Congratulations.
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James Hicks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! First time I have seen a triple die
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wexler has none listed for 1973-S OBV or REV.
Variety Vista shows listings, but the only one with images is die 4:
http://www.varietyvista.com/13%20Ei...3SDDR004.htm
So there maybe an issue with the dies that year? What? I don't know.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cross-eyed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is what John wrote after sending Him a couple of BS silvers.I don't know if it would apply to proofs though.

"I have processed the coins that you submitted for attribution in a package postmarked April 16, 2016.

The doubling that you see on the obverse of the two 1973-S Eisenhower dollars is the result of a doubled master die. At the beginning of a given year a master die is produced with the coin's design for that year. Hundreds of working hubs are then produced from the master die. The working hub is then used to produce hundreds of working dies. The working dies are then used in the coining presses to strike the coins. If there is doubling on the master die, then all working hubs produced from the doubled master die will have the same doubling. In turn, all working dies produced by each of those doubled working hubs will also all have the same doubling. In such cases all of the coins produced that year will show the same doubling with some minor differences due to hub and die wear. You can access more information on doubled master dies on my website http://www.doubleddie.com by clicking on Doubled Dies in the left column menu and then scrolling down until you find the link for Doubled Master Dies.

The doubling on the reverse is even worse as it traces back to a doubled master hub. The master hub was created for use over a period of several years. Each year the master hub would be used to create a master die for that year. If the doubling can be traced back to the master hub, that doubling will be found over a period of several years. In this case the doubling that you see on the reverse of your 1973-S Ike dollars can be found on all 1973, 1974, 1977, and 1978 Ike dollars making it way too common to have any value.

I hope that this information helps.

Good luck with all of your collecting efforts.
Sincerely,
John A. Wexler"
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 Posted 09/11/2019  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I created an image with this information for those wanting to keep this information for your educational files:

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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