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1943 Steel Wheat Cent. RPM S/S Mint? Weak "4" In Date.

 
 
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 Posted 09/10/2019  01:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BuyGuns to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just seeing what folks think on this Steel penny. Pictures marginal. Can add more if needed, but just put for quick opinions.

Doubled 'S'....Why?

Weak '4'....Die grease/dirt?

Coin has nice shine. More than pictures show. Looks nice in hand. But just asking about affect of those anomalies. Thx




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 Posted 09/10/2019  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doubled 'S'....Why? : Maybe third party plating debris
Weak '4'....Die grease/dirt? : Greaser...somewhat common
Coin has nice shine : May have been re-plated
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 Posted 09/10/2019  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuyGuns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. I knew the weak number is common on many coins for reasons stated.

But my eyebrow went up on the plating potential. Never once considered that when looking at the coin in hand, it looks like an aged 43 steel penny, that was handled fairly well, and probably sat around a long time. Hence it's relatively good condition, save the issues noted. Hmmm

But I absolutely understand the points. Appreciate that. I will bust this bad boy back out and inspect closer. Just found the pictures in my Coin file and figured why not ask. As I will do with many more. Ok. Thx
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 Posted 09/10/2019  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice photos though. And possibly grease fill die for that weak 4. I kind of like that mint mark doubling but might be from a worn die.
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Die Deterioration Doubling on the mintmark?
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James Hicks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks cool. Not really sure though
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 Posted 09/10/2019  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note all the devices on your coin are moving SW, just like you would expect to see from die wear. Pretty common event on the Steel cents. The steel planchets working with steels dies, tends to break them down faster. Thus the switch back to copper in 1944.
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 Posted 09/10/2019  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you find this one again can you post an image of the edge of the coin.

It should show slightly rusty striations, top to bottom, since these were originally plated before they were punched out of the sheets of metal. It is normal for them to show these striations if they haven't been replated.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuyGuns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Petespockets55.here are the edge pictures you requested. Do they look like this was coated/plated at one time? The lighting can sometimes be deceptive.








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Nice clear images. Thanks.
The edge looks plated and I'm not seeing signs of lightly rusted lines going from obv to rev so it is not original. Notice the small areas of missing plating on the edges. Also be aware that sometimes the rusty lines will show through the re-plating! So look for any signs of plating on the edge.

Hardly any sellers include images of the edge but they are critical. That's why getting a "steelie" after an in-hand look is important.
(ps. I wonder how many slabbed coins might be "nicely" replated since we can't see the edges.)
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No problem. Typed response and big thumbed and it disappeared. Uhhh. Hate that. Anyway, yes. I agree. Looks not promising. But a pocket change cost for this will not ruin my day. Lol. It's all good. I will look into this more. If I find any more info I will post here. Looking at other steels was no help. Some looked same, others not so much. Nice errors though. Keep it around. Many more to work through. I like coins that are a challenge. May need some pro fixing such as conservation, but payoff could be good. Learning curve. But hey... no risk, no victory. This steel is not getting any fixing or submitting. They will laugh. Lol. Appreciate your input.
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