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Ramatanka Found With Grandfather's Indian Coins

 
 
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 Posted 09/12/2019  2:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 19031971 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Could someone please give more info on this token please
We are starting to believe this is gold as it was with other valuable coins... Would love to know more or if its a copy
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 Posted 09/12/2019  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never seen a gold piece with that much circulation wear/damage. Perhaps a temple token?
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 Posted 09/12/2019  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 19031971 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the reply and welcome..
We understand this is a temple token but have no idea if this is a modern copy or an original ancient coin.. As I said this was in with several sovereign coins separate from the silver rupees and other old indian currency... It must be over 100 years old we think
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To my knowledge, "temple tokens" were not made from gold, and this piece does not look like gold, nor even silver; the yellowish colour is because it is made from a kind of brass, which was commonly used for temple tokens in the 20th century. The black toning also indicates it's a form of brass.

I can't explain why it was placed with the more valuable coins, as it has minimal value from a collector viewpoint; perhaps out of sentiment, or personal significance? These pieces have significant ritual use in the homes of devout Hindus, and this piece certainly seems well-used.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Check alganbagerap's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly no older than the late 40s. This design has Rama & Sita sitting on a divan at their wedding. The divan itself is depicted as a series of dots, similar in effect to pointillism in art. This is a developement seen mostly in the latter part of C20th.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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similar in effect to pointillism in art. This is a developement seen mostly in the latter part of C20th
If you're referring to "pointillism" on coins being a 20th century thing, go look at the "Kashmiri Rulers from the 9th and 10th centuries" thread to stop this idea. This "pointillist" style is all over Indian coinage.

That said, I'm not very familiar with the history of temple tokens - in theory it's possible that they only started that style in the later 20th century. I very much doubt this, however.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This "pointillist" style is all over Indian coinage.


Yes true, but I think that the point that @alganbagerap was making was that for these temple tokens, certain details (like the divan) became simplified or degraded in design over time and more specifically during the last half of the 1900s.
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 Posted 09/12/2019  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Check alganbagerap's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @Spence.
I am extremely familiar with Ramatankas having at one time over 130 in my collection. Of those, I could only be certain of the authenticity of one. The divan was usually represented as a thin rectangle of solid outline with occasionally a dotted divider.
On the earlier tokens, the only "dots" to be seen were as part of the headdress adornments of Ram, Sita, Lakshman, Bharat and Shatrughan. As the workmanship became steadily more degraded it became common to see "dots" everywhere, particularly on the upper body costumes.

At the time of writing I'm trying hard to find the text of an article by Robert Puddester which explains the nuances of detail far better than I could. It will be posted when found.
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Thank you all for your time... Coin value has no importance just sentimental value..
Really getting into going through the collection and looking forward to all of your valuable knowledge
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