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2 Ancient Roman Coins - Real Or Modern Bulgarian Forgeries?

 
 
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 Posted 09/20/2019  8:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CharlesTheBald to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently came into possession of two ancient Roman Denarius coins which I had reason to be suspicious of and I had checked out. The results came back that they were indeed real silver, but were unsure if they were authentic or not. My question, based upon pictures provided, are these two Roman coins real or modern Bulgarian forgeries (fakes)? Looking for a good opinion from someone who knows ancient Roman coins better than myself and those I know. Thank you.

First: Roman Imperial Balbinus AR Denarius, 238 AD, weight: 2.71 g, size: 17 mm

Second: Roman Repulic Julius Caesar (Elephant War Mint) AR Denarius, 49-48 BC, weight: 3.65 g, size: between 16 and 19 mm (unsure)



Please see attached pictures (obverse and reverse) of each for more details.

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 Posted 09/20/2019  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pendrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey-
You have hit the jackpot if these are genuine. Better pic on the Balbinus would help. The elephant coin is one of the most faked ancients. I have checked the Balbinus fakes and have not found a match yet. Still looking. Here is a pic of a genuine one.

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 Posted 09/20/2019  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome, Charles.

For comparison of the Balbinus, here's the OP coin with a couple of reproductions - each stamped with an "R." Not sure if it's a match (the top pic is so fuzzy) but, even if everything lines up, I'm not sure this disqualifies the OP coin. The casts could have been taken from a legit coin of the same dies.

Can we assume there is no evidence of a filled "R" on the OP coin? Any evidence of casting or filing?
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09/20/2019 10:32 pm
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 Posted 09/20/2019  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Need better pictures of the first coin. Do you have any provenance where the coins came from and who might have owned them.

As pendrak stated these are two pricey coins and are often faked.
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 Posted 09/20/2019  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CharlesTheBald to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for responding. I am including what I hope to be better pics, it looks like trying to get these down to less than 300K is killing the quality. Any thoughts on the Caesar coin or do I need better pictures on that as well? Please advise.

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 Posted 09/20/2019  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Much better pics. Here are a couple that may be from the same dies:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=940716
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2530251
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 Posted 09/21/2019  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both are fakes...
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Thank you to everyone for your assistance with these coins, it is greatly appreciated.
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