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1971-S Eisenhower Dollar Hub Or Master Die Doubling

 
 
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 Posted 11/11/2019  6:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Got this recently, a 71-S Silver Ike still in Mint Cello wrap. There are several notching on E.P.U. LIBERTY and W of WE
What do you think Hub or Master die doubling?
Excuse the glare, pics were taken through the Cello wrap.







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 Posted 11/11/2019  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a DDR to me.
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 Posted 11/11/2019  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Looks like a DDR to me

Those are mixed pictures of the obverse and the reverse, Liberty( that R) and IGWT are on the obverse.

http://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=1144

It is probably both a DDR and a DDO

Full pictures of both sides would be helpful
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 Posted 11/12/2019  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John1, jbuck.

Thank you Gincoin43 for the links, your first link is very useful and comprehensive.

Reason I questioned it is because this one with having the doubling on both OBVS. and REVS. is not listed/attributed anywhere, the notching are indication of Hub doubling to me, but since there are numerous master die doubled Ikes I wasn't sure.
I will try to post a full pic of reverse and the obverse but the problem is the coin is still in the original mint Cello wrap and most likely the glare will interfere with details!
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That does cause a problem, do you see any clash marks?
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Not that I noticed while I was taking pics. will look again when I get home from work.
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do you see any clash marks?


None.
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Before celebrating, you might want to read what Wexler had experienced on the 1971 Eisenhower dollars:
http://doubleddie.com/356801.html
There were issues on these. After reading, you might see if this one is listed or not.
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Before celebrating

It's fun to find doubling even if it is common. I suspect the reverse is indeed unlisted.
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Thanks coop, I have read Wexler's article and that was my main reason for asking for opinions, did not find any similarities to his descriptions particularly of the R of LIBERTY, W of WE and the notching on the EPU, given majority of the described master die doubling have usually referred to the doubling/notching on top and upper portions of the devices, in this case I think the notching on the lower leg of the R, doubling on the I and B are quite convincing. TMHO
And it also seems Wexler's and Brian's finding were particularly focused on the Proof specimen as it is evident n his article and the referenced images for the DDO/DDR's without any examples of the Business strike specimens!
Who knows
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It's fun to find doubling even if it is common. I suspect the reverse is indeed unlisted.
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Save it anyway. But if there is an issue with proof coins, the same master dies created business strikes and proof dies.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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