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1965 Lincoln Penny (Red) With Split Serif?

 
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Okay, this one I have had a question since I've seen this. I have multiple 1965's and not all have the split serif on #5 on the date. I have looked into other images and I'm not sure if this is a DD, RPM or what.

Can anyone tell me I this is a know scenario,

I also find the condition of the coin pretty nice...anyone have an idea of condition?




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 Posted 01/04/2020  03:15 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's normal. It's part of the design.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 01/04/2020  04:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question: Do all 1965s have this design element? Or just certain dies have it?
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 Posted 01/04/2020  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it is part of a normal die that will show differently on each coin depending on the strike and wear of the die.Grade looks like maybe AU-55?
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Thank You John1.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The attributor for Coppercoins lists it as master die doubling. This doubling carries no premium.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank all,

Hey John, here is what confuses me...when I compare this coin to the 1965 RD on line ( PCGS / Herritage etc.) and I zoom in to look at their Graded / Sold 67 - 67+'s they seem to have more dings, scratches and flaws than this one above. You say AU55 and I respect that due to your history but my question is how can coins that look better than on line get such less of a grade? That's what keeps my wall up about submitting coins to get graded. I've been in the sales industry for over 30 years, could it be that the grading companies want you to think that a slightly damaged coin is a 67 - 68 but when you send a better version in...you get a low grade. Again, I'm not doubting your feedback I'm just confused. Blueridge had the same concern last year.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are all like that:

From all four mints.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 01/05/2020  05:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
103070,
First let me say that I am not that good at grading.If you want to learn grading, here is a good start https://www.PCGS.com/Photograde/
TPGs grade mostly on a technical grade and to a lesser degree eye appeal,if that helps you any.
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 Posted 01/05/2020  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you....I use that a lot, along with going against SOLD pieces on Heritage and PCGS examples. So I triple check before putting any grade on my slabs and even then I tend to low ball. I also count the dings / abnormalities, abrasions, coin strikes, and spots on the images compared to my pieces. From what I understand, those are best practices to use.
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Reductions need to be considered when events happen to coins in the wild. Even sever contact mark can turn a nice coin into a damaged cull coin regardless of die state it matches. Even spots can reduce eye appeal:

Note on this one. The spot dropped the grade a lot. Reverse looks great. Just a spot on the obverse.


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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 01/05/2020  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oijogja to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
103070, I for one would be interested to see what people say if you were to post this coin to the grading forum: http://goccf.com/f/25. I would have guessed more like a ms64/65, but I'm also no expert at grading, either.
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 Posted 01/07/2020  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 103070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you I will try that
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