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 Posted 01/29/2020  12:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Klocka to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am soon buying my first ancient Tetradracm coin. Does the coin in the picture seem OK - genuine? And the condition of it? I am very new to this.



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 Posted 01/29/2020  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. Don't buy it until members comment.
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 Posted 01/29/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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It could just be the pictures, so lets see what others will say. IMO it does not look genuine, this type is copied often so you have to be careful where you buy them from. If the coin comes from an established dealer like those on Vcoins chances are that the coin would be genuine.

However if you are buying from an unknown seller or on eBay you have to be very,very careful.
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 Posted 01/29/2020  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No comment as to authenticity, however, this coin is faked so much, I can't imagine it not being in a slab if it were authentic. Not saying it isn't authentic, just be very cautious.
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 Posted 01/29/2020  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks OK, but pictures by themselves are not really good enough. Previous posters are right - one of the most widely faked of all ancient coins. Superbly excellent fakes exist.
Syle OK, what is the weight? Need to some pictures of the edge.

The seller needs to have
1. A widely known excellent professional reputation, if not, but preferably also,
2. an independently provable provenance, not just his own made-up story.
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 Posted 01/29/2020  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a few "pimples" on the face that look like casting bubbles, which would make it a modern counterfeit. The lips and the owl's eyes don't look typical of the Greek coins either.

These coins have been imitated for thousands of years. Here's an interesting link on ancient imitations which look more like yours.

http://rg.ancients.info/owls/imitations.html
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 Posted 01/30/2020  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
XRF surface metal analysis can sometimes be of help.
Modern struck and cast copies can be made of good quality silver, but the problem is that the silver is a modern two or three metal alloy, with silver as the highest proportion.

The ancients could only refine their silver to a maximum of around 97% fine, the rest is a wide variety of natural junk minerals and metals.
It is the analysis of the 3% that you look at, in particular the range of trace elements, not the silver.
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 Posted 01/30/2020  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A debased silver alloy might be useful for the ancient imitations.

Picked up an elephant quadriga. NGC, excellent strike on the elephants.
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Sure, the Athenians did, in fact, debase some of their silver coins at various times.

With XRF, it is still the range of junk minerals and trace metals that you look for, instead of the copper or silver.
However, XRF should not be relied upon entirely.
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