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1969 S LMC..some Obverse Doubling, RPM?

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 Posted 03/07/2020  06:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
That's what I see but I can't match it up to anything on Wexlers sight. The dohe ubling is easier for me to see in person on the date. The mint mark I can't tell if it's a retained die break behind it or another S.















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 Posted 03/07/2020  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiemonster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see a floating roof good luck and happy hunting
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 Posted 03/07/2020  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing behind the MM?
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 Posted 03/07/2020  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this MD?
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 Posted 03/07/2020  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a floating roof. Not a DDO. Not a DDR. Not a RPM,sorry.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry, I thought you were taking a shot at me...
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 Posted 03/07/2020  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Different person said sorry , was he taking a jab at me with a floating roof reply?
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 Posted 03/07/2020  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also I see a normal business strike 69S is topping out at 64 on the PCGS sight. Should I take a shot at grading these. My other one is much better.

Edit: I was probably only looking at 1 color for that grade
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 Posted 03/07/2020  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not worth slabbing,sorry.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be your light source. I can't see any DD or RPM. And the floating roof is when they polish the die between the roof and the building so much that the side line is gone. I can still see both of them on your coin.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks normal. If it were a doubled die, your setup would have shown it. If you are looking at the outside edges of devices, that is where you will find the common Machine Doubling. Hub doubling is on the centers of the devices, not on the outside edges.

Note how the devices are enlarged and they are showing spread (enlargement) on the middle of the devices:



Machine Doubling is caused by the machine. Doubled dies are created on the die, thus the term doubled die. Machine Doubling can happen on doubled dies and often does show on that years big DDO:

Note the yellow arrows? These coins are doubled dies, but the arrows point to where the machine caused the doubling. (not legit doubling) but most the DDO that year/mint had Machine Doubling on the less than 100 examples found. (So these are very rare) 130 Examples of MD were submitted to PCGS to be graded and they came back a normal coins with a grade of coin grading.

A few images of these.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 03/07/2020  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So let me ask a question. Here is one of the examples that were submitted
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/34740592
Note the grade and estimated value of this machine doubled coin. $12.00 You might think there could be a profit here. But if you had to pay more than $12 to have it graded, you would be in a loss. (also figuring in shipling and insurance which most require it you mail them the coin)
So see the image on the right. Click on it and enlarge it and you can see the Machine Doubling. So everyone that finds a 1969-S comes on there and thinks they have found the holy grail, but the 1968-1972 cent had a lot of Machine Doubling on them. So much so that the mint changed they striking procedure on the 1973 cents to stop this from happening so often. (with a stronger strike that year)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 03/07/2020  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Coop, had a anniversary to attend. I'll dissect what you sent and get back to you
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 Posted 03/07/2020  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It said that coin auctioned off at 125...probably doubled his money no pun intended
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 Posted 03/07/2020  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chicago23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think what confused me on this coin (I knew this wasn't the holy grail, you could tell from my topic title. I thought it was like the 55D) what confused me is when Machine Doubling is rounded and not squared off. And I haven't compared but his face looks like it's xtra thick across his cheekbone plus the MM having something behind it.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We get the 1969-S cent issue almost daily. Someone finds a normal one and it starts all over again.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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