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Seeking Advice On What This Carinus (Roman Emperor 283-5ad) Gold Object Is

 
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 Posted 03/11/2020  07:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ericccshiu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Dear like-minded coin enthusiasts,
My friend of German origin asked me this Carinus gold object. Very pristine. He cleaned it from the hoard (this object is not modern-made or fake for sure). One side is the bust of Carinus, the other side is just the back of the bust. 3.16 grams. The way it was struck makes it look like a bracteate, but there was no Roman empire bracteate in around 300AD, right? Maybe a medallion, but an ancient Roman gold medallion is heavier? Won't be a coin because the other side should have some design such as a Roman goddess holding a globe or spear. So what is this gold object?

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If you think this is modern-made, please skip this post and don't answer because I am very sure this gold object is ancient and highly likely to be authentic.
Does any member know if Roman empire made gold bracteate? Does any member know if this Carinus gold object of 3.16 grams can be a gold medallion which was given by the emperor to a recipient as a precious gift?
Thank you for any constructive advice you could give to me.
Eric


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 Posted 03/11/2020  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree:
Certainly not a coin.

Gold is soft.
Shows no sign of damage or wear, what is the basis of your thinking that it may be of ancient origin, rather than just feeling sure about it?
Can the story regarding provenance be independently provable, rather than just a claim?

Need a picture of the other side.

XRF test would prove ancient or otherwise, looking for trace impurities, not gold. The ancients were unable to refine their gold much beyond about 95% pure.
A modern gold alloy would only have copper as an alloy, and nothing else.
Take it to a scrap jewelry buyer or bullion dealer, they would have a hand held instrument.
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 Posted 03/11/2020  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably from the same "hoard" as this one: http://goccf.com/t/368499
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 Posted 03/11/2020  10:45 am  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to move this over to the ancient coin section. We have an expert there that know all about this dynasty of emperors. If this is real he will be able to say for sure.

I just sent him a message, hopefully he will be along soon to check it out.
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 Posted 03/11/2020  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a modern piece of jewelry sprung from its holder. The lack of a reverse IMO indicates that it was probably never meant to be flipped over.
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 Posted 03/11/2020  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Probably from the same "hoard" as this one: http://goccf.com/t/368499

Strike two.
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 Posted 03/11/2020  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lettering style is all wrong for an ancient and the dotted border is wrong
Who would make such a piece ?
Why do people claim they are visited by space ships that land in the woods behind the barn ?
Why do people say they talk to long dead ancestors ?

Because they are a few cards short of a full deck and/or sitting down in a bunker under Berlin waiting for General Zhukov to begin the grand finale
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 Posted 03/11/2020  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericccshiu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi thanks for all the comments.
I provide very close-up pictures of this gold "object". Maybe these pictures can give you more confident judgement if this is ancient or modern-made.





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 Posted 03/11/2020  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you believe these items are genuine and ancient, I suggest contacting the British Museum or one of the major auction houses such as Baldwin's, Spink or Dix Noonan Webb.
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 Posted 03/11/2020  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know I just now noticed the legend
N AVR CARINVS NOB CAES

Narcus ?

Busted ........
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 Posted 03/11/2020  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi ericccshiu do you have a picture of the reverse?
Should be a aureus I suppose
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 Posted 03/11/2020  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericccshiu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Eddop, I think the second picture up in this thread is the reverse while the first one is the obverse. Eric
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 Posted 03/11/2020  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Narcus ?
Busted ........


Maybe there was one with the correct legend in the hoard, too?
(Or this was an attempt to go for broke and make a unique type)

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 Posted 03/11/2020  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it should just read "BIGGVS"

This thread is approximately what local cable access is to Netflix

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 Posted 03/11/2020  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eddop is our expert on coins of this dynasty, he replied to me that it is not a genuine coin. Any further discussion would be pointless. I've locked this topic.
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