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1898 Indian 1c - Help To Identify

 
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This 1898 is not pretty but it is unique in three respects: It weighs only 2.65 grams well below the 3.11 it should be. It is also thinner than a normal 1898 by a third. Lastly it appears to have a reeded edge. It may be because the normal beaded border extends all the way to the edge of the coin on both sides. Normally there is a small non beaded area up to the edge.

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 Posted 03/30/2020  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight loss is due to corrosion eating away at the surfaces.

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03/30/2020 5:49 pm
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i dont understand how corrosion can decrease the weight if it not cleaned off. copper oxide has weight. the major devices are in tact. You did not address the thickness difference
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By definition: Corrosion means "a gradual destruction of material by a chemical reaction with its environment." Corrosion equals weight loss, the more so the more severe..
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We do this dance for the benefit of the community. The first picture is a 1957D that had complete corrosion. It was cleaned in order to read the date.and examine its devices. It weighs 3.09 grams. The second picture is with the corrosion in tact. It weighs 3.15 grams. This is less than a 2% difference and it is after cleaning. The Indian cent measures 20% less than its mint specification weight and it has not been cleaned. Its thickness has diminished by a third yet liberty is still visible. And it has an expanded border.


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Where has this cent been since 1898..?....IMO mostly like laying face down in the mud and dirt..did you pull it out of the ground ? If no, then how do we know how much scrubbing was done to get it into this shape?... Also, we are assuming the cent left the mint right at 3.11 grams , maybe it left under-weight, but by how much? Anyway with the cent in this condition how much do you think someone is willing to buy it for? As far as the "reeding" could it have been caused by corrosion?
Will we ever find the answers? best of luck
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Perhaps the wrong questions are being asked. No it did not come out of the ground at least not in the last 50 years. No assumption of weight leaving the mint is being made. Weight is an observation of what this coin with oxidation but otherwise good shape is. Weight is an observation of what 1898 1C are supposed to leave the mint at. I tell my graduate students we have to ask better questions. I am new to collecting but not to Science. What would I pay is a fair question if I were presenting this as a question of monetary value.
Perhaps comparing the coin to another 1898 would be helpful. The new picture is a much more circulated example. Its weigh is 2.97.
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