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1909 VDB Wheat Cent. Is The Coin Considered A Variety?

 
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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Curveball to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Got this one off a roll I purchased I know the VDB s 1909 is crh dream to find never came across one found this one a while back from a few rolls I purchased of wheaties

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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it's considered a reverse design variety (as opposed to a die variety like a DDO/DDR/RPM). That said, it's not a particularly scarce reverse variety for the Philly mint, with about 27 million produced. It's a few bucks and sells for more than a lot of lower-mintage wheat cents due to its popularity, but not a strike-it-rich coin by a long shot. The 1909-S VDB is the real gem, and those start at a few hundred bucks and go up to well over a thousand for examples in really great condition. Still an excellent find for something you got coin roll hunting though!
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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the normal V.D.B. The varieties are easy to spot when you know what to look for:

On the zero on the date, note the enlargement of that digit at 4:00 how it is not rounded on the DDO-002? Forget looking for the chips in Liberty, look at the Zero on the date. There is a fake non DDO for that year/VDB that is not the DDO. Just a pretender. Even PCGS missed that when the slabbed the fake.


Here is what they missed:



Note the Zero on the lower image. That is what to look for on these.
The die chips are different:

Go by the actual hub doubling, and forget looking for the markers on these. (Someone is holding a coin they think it the DDO, but it is not. And graded as the real deal. But it is not! Buy the coin, not the plastic.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Curveball to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know it's not a DDO I was just asking if the VDB made it a variety since not all 1909 cents had his initials and it's a specific die does that make it a variety not a error just a variety.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would call it a year variety. But not a die variety. The difference? A die variety means it is only on one die. On a year variety there are several dies showing this, but not confined to one die.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find, congrats!
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 Posted 03/31/2020  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes an excellent CRH'ing find . And in pretty good condition to boot for a 111 year old coin .
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 Posted 03/31/2020  10:20 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
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 Posted 04/01/2020  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say no, it is not a variety, it's simply a normal US coin.
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 Posted 04/02/2020  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would call the 1909 VDB and the 09 SVDB a one year type coin. It was the authorized design, and then a design change was authorized that same year. To me an authorized change in design indicates a change in type.
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I refer to them as a "Year Variety". (because there were with/without the V.D.B.) Why do I add the Dots? The dots were there until 1935 on the VDB on the bust.

Where did you read that? I didn't. I figured it out myself.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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