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 Posted 06/03/2020  8:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jay1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These cash coins are pretty worn. Wondering if anyone can ID the emperor?

The back of the top coin has a crescent on top and a dot on the bottom. The back of the bottom coin is plain.

Thanks!



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 Posted 06/03/2020  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jay, that bottom one *might* be Shenzong (Northern Song Dynasty):

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19403.html

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 Posted 06/04/2020  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jay1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After exhaustive searching I think the bottom coin is actually emperor Gao Zong from the Southern Song Dynasty:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43769.html]

Thoughts? I thought the top coin would be easier to identify!
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 Posted 06/04/2020  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that one is a better fit--well done. I'll take a look in my Hartill tomorrow for your top one.
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@jaym, sorry that it took me a little time to get to this, but I'm about 80% sure I've got a match for the top coin. Based on the use of seal script and oddly elongated bao (character on the left) plus the crescent and dot on the rev, I think that it was issued by Emperor Xiao Zong (1163-1190 AD). The specific attribution looks like Hartill 17.90 (not in numista, but here is a link to a German website with a pic: http://www.chinazeug.de/c1069.htm )

There are others here who are much better at these cast Chinese cash attributions than I am and I look forward to seeing what other folks think.
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 Posted 06/06/2020  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Link doesn't work Spence
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 Posted 06/06/2020  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep sorry about that. The end parenthesis got glommed onto the hot link. Should be fixed now.
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I think the first is this coin here with seal script, as Spence mentioned.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces216756.html



This is a three cash but the script is the same I think:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces140628.html
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 Posted 06/07/2020  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jay1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Following your lead Spence, I definitely think this is Emperor Xiao Zong. In fact it after looking through all of the listings for Xiao Zong I think this may actually be 17.168. I was able to borrow a copy of the Hartill catalog :). Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
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I was able to borrow a copy of the Hartill catalog :)


Ok very good--that is a super addition to your numismatic library.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jay1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely a very valuable and useful reference!
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