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Queen Victoria, Looks To Be Bronze, 22mm, Unknown? (Id: Likely German Gaming Token)

 
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 Posted 06/05/2020  12:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add po_bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Does anyone recognize this? Its A young head, but does not look to me like THE young head used on coinage. All thoughts welcome.

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 Posted 06/05/2020  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eligius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No coin but a token/counter. used as play money. It dates from about 1840-1870
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 Posted 06/05/2020  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the weight?

There were lots of very minor differences in the young Head design on both coins and medals of Great Britain and her colonies, that was originally produced by William Wyon.
This medal could be copper, not bronze, but difficult to be sure with they way both pure copper and bronze can patinate.

The reverse design suggests to me that may be for India.
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06/05/2020 08:22 am
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 Posted 06/05/2020  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add po_bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its 22mm. I don't have good scales but its just a few grams. India is an interesting suggestion, but wouldn't it almost certainly have "ET IMP. IND." as part of the obverse inscription, if intended for India?
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 Posted 06/05/2020  03:35 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No coin but a token/counter. used as play money. It dates from about 1840-1870

Not an official coin from any country. The portrait is loosely based on Wyon's Young Head. These are quite collectable - I'm sure someone will know more about it.
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06/05/2020 03:37 am
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Indian Victorian coins are "EMPRESS", maybe irrelevant anyway, because maybe a medal.
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 Posted 06/05/2020  08:48 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gaming token, spiel marke , as stated .They appear in many metals , brass , bronze , copper , aluminum,
Pot metal etc . Surprisingly many were made in Germany . A major designer was Lauer .
These are found with many reverse designs coupled with a Young head of Victoria Obverse .
Literally hundreds of different ones for sale on the Bay!
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Indian Victorian coins are "EMPRESS", maybe irrelevant anyway.
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06/05/2020 09:30 am
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 Posted 06/05/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add po_bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you to all who replied.
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 Posted 06/06/2020  05:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenscot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Victorian card counter and is part of a set. Others are the two of spades and the four of spades; the latter having two varieties.





They are all the same size, c.22.7mm, despite the pictures being different sizes. No doubt there is one with the ace of spades.

The obverse was used with a trade token issued by Nissen & Parker of London and that was issued sometime in the 1840s to 1850s.

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 Posted 06/08/2020  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These were purpose-made for scorekeeping in the game of whist. https://www.wopc.co.uk/history/whis...ing-counters
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06/08/2020 3:39 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2020  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add po_bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't seem to get email notifications anymore when posts are made to my topics, so I had not seen the preceding two posts when I came here to post what I had found, which is what was already posted here.

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 Posted 06/12/2020  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add po_bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks once more to all who replied. I'm rarely able to stump this community.
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