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 Posted 07/04/2020  09:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Grade at your own risk. This one is tough (!).

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 Posted 07/04/2020  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU Details ED. Don't like the spots. Maybe altered surface
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 Posted 07/04/2020  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The toning makes this one hard.

The obverse has two fairly significant contact marks. There is a semi-circular scratch from the cheek through the first cotton blossom. There is a fairly deep gouge from the edge of another coin near the fifth and sixth right stars. A bit of minor chatter hides in the fields west of the chin. The rims are free from heavy contact marks. The hair above the ear is flattened, but that appears to be strike weakness, since the cotton blossoms and large bear claw show uninterrupted luster and better strike details. I see the obverse as MS-64+. IMHO, the gouge at the fifth and sixth right stars holds it back from MS-65.

The reverse is much better. Other than a few minor contact marks on the eagle's breast, right wing (our visual left), and the field west of the right wing, the reverse is spectacular. The strike shows the same central softness and peripheral strength as the obverse strike. The reverse makes MS-66.

Before adjustment, the net technical grade should be MS-65/MS-65+. The issue boils down to the toning. I played with the color and lighting on the photos. To me, the toning looks original, but splotchy. I don't know what NGC would say about the toning, but I suspect that PCGS would ding the coin a bit because of the splotchy toning. (The milk spots on the obverse are another concern.) With a quarter point "benefit of the doubt" knock, I think the final grade would be MS-65.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll agree with MS-65, but I've been so far off lately that I'm afraid I'll jinx fortcollins' opinion.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd go with MS64.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  11:55 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see any luster in those images which is so critical to MS grades. The obverse strike is average and the eye appeal is good. It is relatively free of contact marks. My grade is Choice Mint State, either 63 or 64.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Luster is all there.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS65
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 Posted 07/04/2020  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks really nice, but I'm terrible at grading. My guess is gonna be MS-64+.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Luster is all there.


That makes a HUGE difference IMO. I would go MS65 in that case.
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 Posted 07/04/2020  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks MS-66 to me from a technical standpoint
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 Posted 07/04/2020  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't make up my mind
I wanted to say AU-58 for first round of pics.
After the second pic I think I'm at MS63+
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 Posted 07/04/2020  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks very nice to me. Very clean and a great blast of luster. 66-67

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 Posted 07/04/2020  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS65+ you are correct Fenton, this one is a tough coin to grade!
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 Posted 07/05/2020  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
since the 87(P) are typically sharp and bold this one falls a little short on the obverse for strike. the blotchy toning will also knock it a tad. the luster does not look broken and surfaces are fairly clean noting fortcollins comments. I would put it in the MS65 bucket but deducting one for below average strike and eye appeal. MS64
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 Posted 07/05/2020  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love the toning , great eye appeal. The little black spots on the obverse are a little distracting. I can not quite see if there is any wear but am leaning towards MS-65
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