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A Sound And Tested Method For Looking Through Lots Of Coins.

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This was going to be a reply in another thread, but thought it should get its own thread because I am sure plenty of people have this same question.

So how do I look through cents for die varieties and errors? Here's how I do it, and if I had the time I could go through 100 rolls a day this way:

1. Sort all the coins in a batch by date if the batch is more than a couple of rolls. I recommend sorting them a bag at a time (5,000 coins). One of the reasons for doing this is so that the more 'expected' dates can be gone through first, and the lesser 'expected' dates can be set aside for a rainier day. Another reason for doing it this way is purely logical and makes perfect sense - if you have 250 examples of 1985 cents to look through, you will get a better sense of how thick the design is and what some of the smaller details look like, and don't have to rethink your knowledge through every time you go from one coin to another. Additionally, you can get out a list of all the known dies for that given year and have them handy while you search, without having to flip back and forth through a LOT of stuff with each coin you look at. If your group is mixed, you might see a 1985 cent, then not see another one for another 60 coins and won't have the visual memory of what the other one looked like. This is more or less a waste of time.

2. Sit in a comfortable environment. If you're using a loupe, sit with a window or other light source behind you. This allows you to sit up in the chair and look at the coin in a comfortable position. Those who try using a desk lamp sitting in front of them have to bend over in different positions to light up the coin, which is a killer on the back after an hour or so of looking. If you are looking through a microscope make sure you set the lighting, magnification, and focus to a comfortable range and LEAVE IT THERE. Constantly changing the settings can play games with your eyes and cause you to miss stuff that's there, and see stuff that's not there.

3. Don't try to look through too many coins at once. Find your limit and don't exceed it. If your eyes start to blur and lose focus after three rolls, call that your daily limit and don't exceed it. I found that my limit is about 20 rolls a day, and I don't go over that. If you get tired of looking, you'll get lazy and stop looking. Your eyes will be catching most of the details, but your brain won't process them, and I promise you'll be missing stuff and wasting your time.

4. Know what you're looking for. Don't just go by what's been listed. Pay attention to all the details and pick out any differences and hold them aside. Keep looking, and if that difference appears over and over, you probably have nothing...but if you see something different on one out of 500 coins of the same date, you might have something worth further investigation.

5. Keep examples of the "nots" as well as the good coins. If you keep the things that aren't collectible, you'll be able to look back on them when you find something else in question and probably answer many of your own questions.

My method:

I have a stereo-zoom microscope with good lighting that did not come with the microscope. More so than not I find that microscope lighting that comes with the scope is not the proper type or intensity of light to use for searching through coins.

I have a stick I made out of ash 1x2 boards that has a flute cut into it that's the right size for cents to fit onto it. I line up half a roll at a time on the stick, obverse facing up and look through them sliding the stick through under the scope. I then have an identical stick I use to flip the coins over so I can look through the reverses. I can often accomplish a half roll in under 3 minutes, or my entire 20 roll daily quota in about an hour, including holdering and marking everything I find.
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 Posted 11/17/2008  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add insideout to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info. I was wondering about the sorting stuff
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 Posted 11/17/2008  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds like a great sorting/searching process...I have thought about an "assembly line" approach for my scope too.
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 Posted 11/17/2008  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Info!

Thanks Chuck.

* My limit is also around 20 rolls of cents daily ($10.00)- after that, I tend to feel like its getting to be a chore just to open the wrapper.

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Great advice. Thanks
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 Posted 11/17/2008  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent Post Chuck!

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 Posted 11/17/2008  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you! You cleared up a lot of questions I had, as you always do. I've seen some nice used microscopes, but wasn't sure about zoom power. What zoom power would you recommend for a microscope?

Thanks again, Mike
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 Posted 11/17/2008  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add killians76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to thank you for your info and say that it was my post that you were going to thread it with, also my apologies if I was being snobby, Again thanks, I needed the help and I am sure it will help me along my future hobby of coin searching. Thanks Glenn
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 Posted 11/17/2008  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My particular scope is an infinite zoom binocular scope that zooms from .7X - 3.5X. With 10X eyepieces that makes the scope go from 7X all the way through 35X with every magnification in between - that's what 'infinite zoom' means. These can be obtained as cheaply as $300 new. If you're erious about searching for die varieties, this is definitely what you need. DO NOT compromize your eyesight for money. Get a decent scope if you're going to be doing this daily - even weekly. Sitting around a table with a loupe 2 hours a day looking through rolls of coins is really just not very efficient or smart. The only time I look through hundreds of coins with a loupe is at shows.

With the method I have developed through the years I can honestly go through $15 in cents daily without missing a beat. THIS is how you find the good ones, because - believe me - these come just as seldom to me as they do to anyone else, but I never have trouble finding something collectible after a day's search.

You see, if you and I buy a $25 box of cents on the same day, you using a loupe at a table and me using my scope and slide - I'm going to be done with my box after a couple of days and onto my second box. You'll still be on your fifth roll and will have missed at least a couple of good varieties. By the time you go through the 50 rolls, I will have been through over 200 rolls. Who's going to find more stuff, even with the same coins and same knowledge? Naturally I will because I have much better equipment.

Bottom line...if you're doing this as a curiosity and don't know if it's for you - don't bother with a $300 microscope and $300 lighting just yet - give it some time with a decent 16X loupe. If you get hooked, make your next purchase of anything be a scope. Then get a good light box. I recommend coinoptics.com for your equipment. Larry is a gentleman and knows his stuff. Tell him I sent you.
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 Posted 11/18/2008  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Charles. I can attest to the light coming on thanks to the advice you've given here on the forum. Although it's not shining as bright as I would like. So keep them smacks along side the head coming. One more problem, I've been on your site and emailed about having some coins attributed. No response. Maybe I'm going to your junk folder. Don't see anything about being shut down again due to your impending move back. Need some advice here.
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 Posted 11/18/2008  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's probably due to a backup of junk mail that is coming to the inbox. I get between 300-400 emails daily, only about 75 of which are genuine, but I have to look at all of them because sometimes what looks like could be junk is a request from someone I don't know. I get a lot of first-time emails. Often I get backed up a week to two weeks checking email.

As for packages, I'm okay to receive them until the first of December. I'll be shutting down again then until the first of February, where I will re-open in Missouri. So go ahead and send what you have.
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 Posted 11/18/2008  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like more info on the sticks you use to hold the coins that go under the scope. Got pics?
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CHARLES, this like most you post is excellent, I thank-you for the information.I too have wrote to you a while ago at your site and NO RESPONSE, I know your in a transistion period, I was looking for your advice on literature etc, THANKS AGAIN, MIKE
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This sounds strange, but some told me not to sort rolls by date. The sorting should be done by the last number of the date ie ten piles from zero to nine. Then each pile can be sorted by the year.

I've tried this method and it really is a lot quicker than sorting by the complete date the first time. Does anyone else sort this way?
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Tepritts - You could be quoting something that came from my book, because that's exactly how I do it. It takes less room, less time, and doesn't require as much effort.

ten cups, labeled zero through nine. Drop all coins ending in zero in the zero cup, and so forth. When you're finished sorting, these days in your 8 cup you should have 1968, 1978, 1988, 1998, and 2008. Think about these years, and for those who really know your Lincolns, you should be able to tell the designs on these apart easily at arm's length without the date. Buteven for those who don't know the designs all that well, you should still only have a few from 1968, a few more from 1978, and plenty of 1988, 1998, and 2000. At most, though, you're sorting 5 piles of coins from that one cup.

Take it the other way...you sort decades into 5 huge heaps, then you still have to sort each of your five heaps into as many as ten piles...a mess.

Of course the ten cup method is better and works better. Good you brought it up.

And I didn't mean to mislead anyone into sorting by individual date. That would be a pain in the butt. Use the ten cup method and you'll like it...I promise. I can sort a 5,000 count bag in a couple of evenings, and it speeds up the searching process ten-fold and allows me to find much more because I am concentrating on one date at a time.
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 Posted 11/22/2008  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sir Ferrari to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's wonderful advice, thanks!

I'll be sure to employ your methods next time I search.
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