Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

How Long Did It Take You To Find Your First Lincoln Cent Error?

Next Page | Last 15 Replies
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 626Next Topic
Page: of 2
New Member
United States
37 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  12:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Smack2k to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have been going through what I think is a large amount of Lincoln Cent coins for a while and I am still yet to find an error coin. I wanted to ask those of you with a lot more experience, how long did it take you to find your first error?

I am putting them under microscope to look for anything that could be doubling so I can post it and ask if its really doubling or just MD. Wide Am, Close AM, etc... no luck so far! I just want to find one to get my excitement going again....
Pillar of the Community
United States
1270 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A long time lol. I wondered the same thing when I started and thought maybe I was doing something wrong/not knowing what to look for. The real answer is just that the number of errors and varieties minted for every normal coin is extremely low. To take doubled dies as an example, an average date Lincoln cent might have 10 die varieties identified on Wexlers (most likely, the majority of them being quite minor and esoteric). A die might strike 500k-1mil coins in its lifetime (this number has changed as the mint has improved its production practices, but my understanding is that 1 mil is about the current number), and a typical Memorial cent might have a mintage of say 2 billion. That would mean that about 10 million/2 billion = .5% of pennies are doubled dies (so one in a thousand). Now factor in that some years have higher mintages than 2 billion, some have fewer than 10 doubled die varieties, and that many of the major die varieties were identified and pulled from production well before the life of the die was exhausted, and you see that the odds of finding a major die variety are very low indeed. I would say my personal experience is pretty much in line with the .5% number I gave. Typically a box (2,500 coins) will yield a couple doubled dies (often very minor), a couple RPMs (more common than doubled dies because there are more of them for the years where they were possible), and maybe an error or two (usually something more minor like a strike through or lamination).

I don't know how you hunt, but bear in mind that you will find more errors and varieties per coin if you look for the really small stuff, but you will be able to look at more coins more quickly if you only look at big stuff. I look for the minor things, but I get that a lot of people just don't care about a doubled die that they need a microscope to see properly.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
Edited by SamCoin
09/24/2020 1:30 pm
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
United States
7542 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe 1 box? It wasn't dramatic, but from a technical perspective it counts. My first good one? Maybe 20.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
Pillar of the Community
United States
1775 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, there are errors, and there are varieties. I've been a collector over several decades. My first real find was a rather dramatic lamination peel--found about a year after I stepped up the volume of my coin searching. I'd estimate that I've gone through ~2 million Lincoln cents and have set aside maybe 900 error and variety coins--lamination issues, cool die chips and cracks, strong woodies, RPMs, DDOs, DDRs, small dates, dramatic greasers, BIEs, etc. Honestly, errors and varieties just don't come very frequently--not for me, anyway.

Lastly, I'm not a frequent user of magnification above 20X. I'll go higher to confirm a find, if needed, but not to examine every square millimeter of a coin's surface.
Pillar of the Community
United States
2080 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
east coast VS west coast ...
aka
philly mint VS denver mint

for what ever reason, we on the east coast appreciate the philly mint minting more varieties.

my top two recommendations for new CRH:
1. understand what a doubled die is
2. search both sides of all coins thoroughly
Pillar of the Community
United States
1270 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Levelsofmadnes makes a good point. I'm on the east coast, and for whatever reason the Philly mint definitely makes more screwups than Denver does (especially on more recent coins).

Edit: While major doubled dies are very rare, and even minor doubled dies on older coins are quite scarce, single squeeze (1997 and later) doubled dies are extremely common. I generally find about 25-50 doubled column in the center bay DDRs on Lincoln memorial cents per box.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
Edited by SamCoin
09/24/2020 1:48 pm
Valued Member
United States
64 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom smith coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not hunted many boxes but the first box had a 2000 wide AM in it so I got very lucky. I think it just depends on where you live and what you are looking for.
Pillar of the Community
United States
871 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atticguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to be blunt and say I'm NOT looking for any. What coins lots of 'collectors' call 'errors' or 'varieties' I call them damaged or junk coins. For me, the more 'perfectly made' coin is a plus.
Sometimes it seems that a third of new posts are from (mostly) newbies who read somewhere online that they can make hundreds or thousands of dollars by finding pennies that have filtered past the Mint's quality control and end up in pocket change. While I do see coin searching as a fine and relaxing hobby, I am pretty much shocked at how this trend has erupted as of late.
I know that lots of people are finding varieties and errors, but are they selling? Are there people out there who need to buy 15 different 1983 Lincoln cents at $10-a-pop to have a complete set?
To me, the variety side of coin collecting is like buying a new car with one fender painted a different color; or paying more for a new house with windows not installed.
I expect to be lambasted for my views on this, but if someone can explain to me WHY the "V&E" side of collecting is growing, it might help me understand it better.
OK, I'm going to hold my umbrella over my head now and wait for responses,
Bedrock of the Community
United States
36042 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really all depends on "if" you know what to look for. Errors and varieties are two different things also. You will find way more varieties than errors. I have looked through 5+ million cents (so far). I find something in each roll more often than not. There have been times where I have been skunked by an entire box,but not very often. You need to familiarise yourself with what to look for before you go looking. Bookmark this site and read it every day a little at a time. http://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/
Good luck.
John1
( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
Searched 5+ Million Cents Since 1971
Pillar of the Community
United States
1775 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too, volume is key. Looking through two cent rolls per month is a bit different than 400 rolls per month.

My core motivation is based on simply liking coins--not squeezing every dollar possible out of what I gather. Coin hunting/collecting is fun--filling Dansco albums with quality coins, setting aside nice toners and stupendous errors, and on and on. Whether I sell anything or not is not terribly important to me. To each in the hobby, their own.
Valued Member
United States
232 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
how long did it take you to find your first error?


I used to collect coins when I was younger, then again about 5 years ago, but don't remember any of those errors.

When I recently got back into coin collecting, I got 2 boxes ($50) of Lincoln cents, plus $50 of other change.

I made a membership on here August 9th. Found my first "error" on August 12th. http://goccf.com/t/380201

First DDO September 2nd, first DDR September 14th. Both are very minor, but I still say it counts.

I've found many other "minor errors" and some RPMs between August 9th and now, but it really depends what you're looking for. I was looking for absolutely anything and everything.

It also depends on how many coins you search through and getting lucky I suppose.

If I remember correctly, another person has been trying to find their first DDO for over 3 years.

Keep reading/learning and study the pictures at varietyvista or other sites and I'm sure you'll find something soon.

Looking for "any" error is just like taking a chance at rolling dice.... well, more like flipping a coin. For the "big errors", it's more like playing the lottery. Sometimes you get lucky, most of the time you don't.
Edited by Grelko
09/24/2020 3:31 pm
New Member
United States
37 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smack2k to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the answers...

Im usually looking for doubled die or wide / close AMs, so far no luck.....unless the doubling is so slight I'mámissing it....

My day will come!
New Member
United States
4 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onebakedpotato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been searching for almost 2 years (but not any large quantity) and I may have just found my first significant find, But I am not sure, so I just posted in this forum about it. 1968 D Doubling.
Pillar of the Community
United States
3767 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Volume is one of the keys, the other is developing an eye for it. For me it took 15+ boxes to find my first significant error coin, a spilt planchet cent. Machine doubled cents are fairly common, and in my opinion, not worth keeping unless very noticeable. Strangely, my first Wide AM was found in a roll of Canadian cents I held onto for a bunch of years.

My best advice would be to keep searching, read everything you can here on CCF as well as other internet resources. There are a couple of good books available, but I won't go into those now. Keep searching, question everything but don't be discouraged. Keep plugging along!


ša va bien aller
Pillar of the Community
United States
1270 Posts
 Posted 09/24/2020  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@atticguy I'm not sure 1. Why you're on the variety and error forum if you feel that way, and 2. If you actually understand what a variety or error coin is from your description. A variety is not struck any less well than any other coin, and, ideally would be found with as good a strike as possible from an early state die to make the variety more visible. Varieties are qualities of the dies themselves, and while some (e.g. doubled dies) could be described the way you did with the car analogy, many like close and wide AM varieties, other obverse and reverse design varieties, mint mark styles, etc., are not defects in the die at all, but are just examples of a coin design from a given year that is different from other coins minted in the same year (like buying the one green car in a lot of red cars. They're all painted properly, but one is different and rare). As for errors, you talked about people posting beat up coins on here... you realize 99.9% of those beat up coins are not errors, right? Not really sure how to respond beyond that. An error does not look like beat up pocket change when it leaves the mint. It might be found in a beat up state, but the damage is not the error.
My best finds:
1996 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/372066
Two 2000 WAMs in a box: http://goccf.com/t/375240
1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
Pillar of the Community
United States
871 Posts
 Posted 09/25/2020  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atticguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Why you're on the variety and error forum if you feel that way,
Because when I log into CCF, it takes me to the "Newest 20 Topics". I do try not to scroll through them but sometimes a topic 'catches' me.
Right now, 9 of the 20 topics are about clad errors.
Edited by atticguy
09/25/2020 12:03 am
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 626Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2020 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2020 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.76 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05