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1996 Little Wild Ones 50 Cent Coins, Question & Possible DDR

 
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 Posted 10/11/2020  5:05 pm Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was just wondering if anyone has searched these sets for varieties as I aquired a set a little while ago and I am just getting around to posting about them as I have been fairly busy.

I picked up a bulk lot of silver and sterling silver proof sets and while checking them out I noticed that in the Little Wild Ones four coin set they seem to be showing hub doubling on the Reverse in "CANADA" and in "50 CENTS 1996" as shown in the photos below, however I do not have a second set of this series to confirm. All 4 of the coins show this doubling in different variations and showing clear splits and notching as well.


Photos taken through the clear capsule of the Moose Calf.





I understand that proof coins are double struck, however the doubling in "CAN" of "CANADA" is identical to other known doubled dies found in lower denomination coins so I am curious to know what you guys think.

Thanks in advance
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/02/2020  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought this coin would get at least a few responses by now, but I just thought I would add to this.

I started looking into how proof dies are used and what they can cause if the second or third strike is misaligned or pivoted and my conclusion is if there is evidence of doubling from a second or third strike it would present itself as what is known as "flat field doubling". However, what you see in these photos is not flat field doubling and you can actually see the splits and notches from the die being doubled.

If you look at these photos again (better lighting) you will see the second device and the splitting fairly clear.







These photos below are of the words beneath the designs of the reverse. You can clearly see double letters.






There was a mintage of 172,377 per coin in the 4 piece little wild one's proof set according to the Royal Canadian Mint.

From my understanding, proof dies were changed out a lot more frequently than standard circulation dies. Thus bringing me to the conclusion that all 4 coins in this set could very well be a Doubled Die Reverse since each die was only used for a short period of time before it was retired and replaced with a new one.

Also, I would like to add that the doubling can be easily spotted with a loupe, my close-ups are just so nobody has to zoom in.



Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/02/2020  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
unfortunately these coins sell for melt value, I don't believe anyone has any interest, in trying to sell them as anything but silver..
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 Posted 12/02/2020  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Unfortunately these coins sell for melt value, I don't believe anyone has any interest, in trying to sell them as anything but silver..


silverwolf,
I have no interest in trying to sell them, especially if they are doubled die reverse coins. I had another set that I did sell but it did not show the doubling you see in the photos. The only coins I sell are the ones that I have no interest in having in my collection.

With that said, regardless of if people have an interest in them or if they have any monetary value I simply want to know if what I am seeing is legitimate doubling. I feel confident that it is but I could also be missing something during the production of proof dies and the striking of them.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/03/2020  12:18 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a doubled die to me...
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 Posted 12/03/2020  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That coin dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is definitely a doubled die error, not the coexistence of the doubling, this happens only when a positive strikes a blank surface twice, if it were double struck, the doubling would be flattened, but the matte finish is on both of the 'letters' of each device. Awesome find.
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 Posted 12/03/2020  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not easy to take pictures through the plastic shell, but I think I have a similar one.







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12/03/2020 12:37 pm
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 Posted 12/03/2020  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Check JohnWayne007's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not easy to take pictures through the plastic shell, but I think I have a similar one.


SP67,
that is exactly the same as mine.

If you have the 4 coin set you should check out the rest, all 4 of mine have various doubling in "CANADA" and "50 CENTS 1996".
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 12/03/2020  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you have the 4 coin set you should check out the rest, all 4 of mine have various doubling in "CANADA" and "50 CENTS 1996".


I'll do that this week end.

Do you know if other sets from that 4-coin program have similar DDR? Not all, but I have few of them.
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 Posted 12/05/2020  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As shown in the previous postes, the moose version shows probably the most strongest DDR signature on that set.

After inspecting the 3 others, I found small DDR on the Bear and Duck version. Nothing special with the Lynx.

Here the pictures.

Silver 50 cents - Bear



silver 50 cents - Duck


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