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 Posted 10/14/2020  3:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Siciliae to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello and good evening!

I'd kindly like some help in ascertaining the authenticity of this coin, which (I believe) is an Epirus drachm. The seller didn't have a clue about the coin, only that it tested for silver and was mounted in 9ct gold. Not too sure of the beige mark under Zeus' chin, either. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

The listing stated it weighed 9.7 grams and measured 31.1mm x 23.4mm (which also includes the bail).

Thanks in advance for any helpful responses






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 Posted 10/14/2020  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to see Kushanshah's and others' opinions on this one.

There are possible die matches to be found - assuming we're dealing with a struck coin and not a cast. These include coins sold by good dealers. Usually, that's a good sign:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=748945
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5366210
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6387115

There is always, however, the possibility that they were fooled by a good fake. For comparison:



Two things are potentially odd to me. One is the top seller's example, pictured just below your coin. IF the reverse is a die match to yours and the others (I haven't studied it carefully enough to determine), then the degradation (?) of the die (or mold?) happened between the time that coin was manufactured and others were created. Whether that happened in antiquity or modern times, I dunno. The nature of that degradation - or whatever it is - seems odd. If the coin is struck, much of what we see would have to been impressed intaglio into the die in order to show us as raised bumps like this.

The other thing that gives me just a bit of pause - although this one may be inconsequential - is that the obverse beige mark you refer to just happens to be where the "BO" is situated on the others. That "BO" may be a legit ancient monogram, though. If, on the other hand, it was a modern touch - like initials of a (modern) maker - that would be a sensible place to do some "erasing." But I believe a "BO" monogram might show up elsewhere on Epirus coins...although I could be mistaken about that. And it is described as a monogram in the Gorny and Mosch listing.

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 Posted 10/14/2020  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/14/2020  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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The coin IMO is genuine, the bezel looks hand made and not something that a jeweler would make.
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 Posted 10/15/2020  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siciliae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for the welcome and replies, really appreciate it! Seems I came to the right place

So far, the answers have been reassuring in regards to the coin's authenticity. The seller has shipped the piece out today and it should be with me tomorrow. I shall inspect closely what the beige mark under Zeus' chin is all about and perhaps see if it can be removed at all (unless any of you advise me against this).

If anyone else would like to weigh in, please feel free! I'm only a beginner and an amateur in the world of numismatics, so any knowledge would be worth its weight in gold
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 Posted 10/15/2020  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All four are clearly dependent, either struck from the same dies or cast from molds with a common host. The progressive "die damage"(?) on the reverse is interesting. What should we make of the similarity of the flan shapes? I agree with @Bob_L: "I dunno."
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 Posted 10/15/2020  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siciliae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated. Wish I had an expert near me to take the coin to, but alas.
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 Posted 10/16/2020  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siciliae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received the coin today and I'm happy to say that the beige substance under Zeus' chin was just a little dirt, which was easily removed. I'm also pleased to confirm the 'BO' monogram is present

I wonder how much a coin like this would be worth? Either way, thank you all for your help, especially Bob L

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 Posted 10/16/2020  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder how much a coin like this would be worth?


Here is the auction result for the last of the linked coins. It went for 225 Euro on an estimate of 150.


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