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Kiwi Coin Noodling, A Good Laugh And Analysis

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 Posted 10/26/2020  8:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just bought $411 of coins off a friend of mine, who saves every coin and it was my first visit since early 2019.

Are going through them to see what dates pop up.

Will analyse them from $2 down and come up with the dates and numbers.

Goals

1. At least 1 coin of every date so far
2. Highest quality example for each year
3. Any coins that are not from circulation years
4. Strangers that wander in.

Coins are notoriously hard to source in my country and this is a rare treat!




Sorting the coins into denomination piles.
On average there was around 100 - 110 of each denomination including 107 $2, 114 $1 and 109 50 cent coins, 125 20 cents and only 85 10 cents.


10c and 20c


The $1 coins


The $2 coins and 50 cents

I will post results as I get them.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Done the $2 coins. This denomination is the most exciting along with $1 as you can find coins going back to 1990.




Sadly there were no coins from years that were not for circulation.

Numbers

1990 - 25
1991 - 8
1997 - 1 (Very rare due to notes below), I have kept it for my collection!
1998 - 9
1999 - 2
2001 - 4
2002 - 5
2003 - 4
2005 - 7
2008 - 6
2011 - 9
2014 - 13
2015 - 12
2016 - 0
2019 - 2

These results are not surprising, 25 of the coins date from the jumbo first year mintage of 1990 (30 million!) and all of them were very worn between F and VF, there were no nice ones.

8 come from 1991, which also had a large mintage of some 12 million coins. There was 1 coin from 1997, which was a controversial coin as they were very slightly thinner and got stuck in slot machines. One of the coins being rejected caused a hardcore gambler ($2 was the pokie machine coin) beating the crap out of an old lady who played the "loaded" machine, whilst the gambler got more money thanks to the 1997 coin being rejected.

The coins 1998 - 2003 were all very worn as well and the numbers found sum up their mintages of 5 - 7 million coins each year. Most were VF with some near EF

2008 and 2011 are a bit better and the 2014 and 2015 were mostly shiny, although some were worn. There were no 2016 dated coins, for some reason the sites and catalogues allude to 3 million being minted, but the Reserve Bank has never released them.

The coins are minted at The Royal Mint in Wales and shipped to NZ and stored in vaults until needed. They did release 2019 dated $2 coins just before covid and most of these are scarce, finding 3 of them seemed a lot.

Next the $1 coins, what will I find.
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Edited by Princetane
10/27/2020 01:58 am
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 Posted 10/26/2020  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My $2 coin collection now consists of the following




1990, 1991, 97, 98, 99, 01, 02, 03, 05, 08, 11, 14, 15, 19 and a space for the 2016 if it ever shows up. The earlies are all VF and fortunately I have a set with UNC 1990 and $1.

Also found were 2 strange coins - Aussie dollar coins




2018 Anzac coin and 2015 Standard coin.
Loving Halfcrowns. British and Commonwealth coins 1750 - 1950 and anything Kiwi.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dollars were the only other exciting coin having dates going back to 1990.

Again the findings were standard and no 2016 coins were found. No coins from years with no circulation were found (Set only coins occasionally showed up years ago, but with the prices of uncirculated and proof sets now, spending them seens rather stupid).




Again 1990 dated coins dominated and at least this time a few more VF - gVF showed up, but the lions share were worn. With 40 million minted, much more than any other year, this is not surprising and amazing they are still working after nearly 3 decades.

1990 - 29 coins
1991 - 7 coins
2000 - 4
2002 - 3
2003 - 6
2004 - 2
2005 - 3
2008 - 14
2010 - 11
2013 - 13
2015 - 21
2016 - 0
2019 - 1



This shows the 12 dates of coin encountered.

1991 coin numbers were also fairly high, but these coins are less common. 2000 and 2002 had low numbers found and the latter year had a high mintage. 2003 has more coins and 2004 and 2005 are the scarce years with 2 million minted. All coins before 2005 were gVF or lower condition, the worst were high VG.

The coins dated 2008, 10, 13 and 15 all have high mintages of 10 million or more and mostly found in at least gVF and mostly EF condition. Many 13's were AU and truly UNC were found in 2015. The scarce Butterfly lips and Goitre varieties were not encountered (2008 and 2010).

2019 was just one coin and this is going to my Aussie exchange buddy.

No 2016 dated coins were found and 2020 have not been released yet.
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 Posted 10/26/2020  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for taking us along on your noodling journey. I've learned a lot so far about NZ coins. Have fun!
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 Posted 10/27/2020  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Coins are notoriously hard to source in my country and this is a rare treat!

That's because they're all over here!

Some good noodling though and I too like to see the numbers and year break downs.
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10/27/2020 01:49 am
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 Posted 10/27/2020  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My pleasure!

Lets move on down to the 50 cent. The coins become less interesting here as the cent coins were only minted in this format from 2006 onwards.

See this thread - http://goccf.com/t/380477 for more data about the history and types of coins discussed here!



Date choices for the 50c and 20c coins are by far the most limited. As you can see most of them were 2006!
All these coins along with the 10 cents are minted by the Canadian Royal Mint.

2006 - 49 coins!
2009 - 19 coins
2014 - 5 coins
2015 - 16
2015 Anzac - 0
2016 - 11
2018 - 1
2018 Armistice - 0
2019 - 0
2020 - 0

This does not surprise me in the slightest, some 70 million coins were issued in 2006 and most of them are still very shiny and AU/EF - only 3 were very cloudy and dull and were VF. This was nearly half of all the coins.

First year mintages of all denominations are always high and even now dominate for every coin. For the gold it was 1990 and the cents coins it is 2006.

2009 had a high number too and had 20 million coins

2014 was a low mintage of just 8 million and hence the low number shows this

2015 had a fairly high number of coins - 12.7 million and most are nice the 1 million Anzac coins virtually disappeared when they came out so finding any in circulation is remote to nil.

Same with the 2018 Armistice - none at all of the 2 million coins.

2016 also had a release of coins and some 11 were found, all were in perfect shape.

2018 saw a limited release of 3 million coins (Not Armistice) and these are only just showing up in change, I found just one in the group.

Coins were minted in 2019 and 2020 but none have made it into circulation yet and again Covid will ensure their appearance is further delayed.


The 6 dates found.
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 Posted 10/27/2020  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the photos and the break down by years
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 Posted 10/27/2020  03:51 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice breakdown. I hope you enjoyed the search!
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 Posted 10/27/2020  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I will post the results of the 20 cents and 10 cents tomorrow.
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 Posted 10/27/2020  04:36 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting, Princetane! Confirms my observations when I was last in NZ in January last year, but nice to see some 2018 and 2019 coins getting into circulation. Well done on getting a 2007 $2 coin - I got one of these in change in Auckland on vacation in 1999, but have never found any on later visits!
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 Posted 10/27/2020  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks like fun. I need another trip to NZ. :)

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 Posted 10/27/2020  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And this is the reason why I can suddenly fill more gaps for you as well!
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 Posted 10/27/2020  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 10/27/2020  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 20 cent coins

These were the most forgettable with the fewest dates, just 5 although one has two varieties. I even forgot to take photos.



Results

2006 - 38 coins
2008 - 43 coins
2014 Wide Date - 5 coins
2014 Narrow Date - 16 coins
2015 - 22 coins
2019 - 1 coin (Straight into my collection!)

This coin is a bit different to the others as you had the usual jumbo 1st year mintage (116.6 million) but an almost as large follow up mintage for the next year (2008) with 80 million more, maybe it was decided the original mintage was not enough (After all you can use 2 of these coins in a standard transaction).

So 2006 and 2008 coins dominated this group, with 81 of the 125 being from this era (65%). Usually with most of our coins, the initial mintage is huge and way outshadows later mintages which are really top ups in this age of worthless coinage.

There was no more circulation coins minted until 2014 and this year at least some interesting variety.

Wide date and narrow date

There are 2 date types, the wide date and narrow date. The wide date is much more scarce (About 5 times less common than the narrow date) and this coin is more like the earlier dates and there is less detail on the carvings.

The narrow date is more common and much more like 2015 and later coins and the detail on Pukaki (The Maori carving) is more elaborate. Of the 23 million coins minted, about 4 million are Wide dates. Although common now, the Wide date may increase in scarcity as time passes on.

If you find a "Wide date" 2014 20 cent coin, hold on to it. My results showed a 3.2:1 ration for ND vs WD, but it was a small sample. One of the WD are going to Triggersmob!

2015 Had a nice number of coins too and 23 million coins are represented by 22 all UNC examples here.

2016 apparently had 18 million minted, but none showed up here, surprisingly 1 coin dated 2019 did show up and I have kept this for my collection. It may become more common in a few years.

The general condition of these coins was very high with many of the older coins still lustrous and only a few with any clouding and wear. The Canadian minted nickel plated steel coins are holding up very well.
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 Posted 10/28/2020  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hadn't known about the 2014 date types. Very interesting.
Were they perhaps minted at different mints?
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