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 Posted 11/25/2020  11:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How accurately would you be able to grade a coin without the help of a loupe, a Hastings Triplet, or an enlarged photo? Just using your eyes at normal distance to the actually coin in hand?
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 Posted 11/25/2020  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion, grading should be done with the eye only (glasses and contacts okay) if eye appeal is paramount, and for me it is.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Check norantyki's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on the grade range - the threshold for grade ranges is looser in the lower grades (ie: expected dings, etc). It also depends on the type of coin - more crudely struck ancients have a surface as well as detail qualification to take into consideration. So... I guess my answer is: it depends.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It used to work really well ........ 45 years ago !
Loupe now mandatory !
In all seriousness , TPG use loupes so should we all .
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 Posted 11/25/2020  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For far sighted people, you can't grade at all.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I grade the way I was taught, by an Ex NGC Grader. First you use no magnification, generally your first impression of a coin is most accurate. After you've formed an impression based off that then you use magnification to examine fine details (on a mint state coin to determine final grade) or to check if a coin is a counterfeit.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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First you use no magnification, generally your first impression of a coin is most accurate.


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use magnification to examine fine details (on a mint state coin to determine final grade) or to check if a coin is a counterfeit.
I cannot argue against that advise.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems nobody has answered the question yet: How accurately would you be able to grade a coin WITHOUT the help of a TOOL (e.g. loupe, etc.).
For instance, you have a small cent in your hand and you look at it at a distance of about 6 inches from your eye. Can you distinguish between MS63 and MS64? Or only between say AU and MS? Or not even that and you can only do say between Fine and AU?
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 Posted 11/25/2020  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Check norantyki's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Dieuwer - in a way we have all responded succinctly - it depends... Your question is far too vague to illicit a specific response. As per your follow up example - I would be quite inaccurate without assistance on a classic US type in MS grades, but between fine and AU or AU and MS (but not always, as I tend to be very strict with MS grades) I would have no problem with. This being said, grades of Canadian, Commonwealth, British, French, German, Spanish or Polish UNC coins, I could probably nail within a couple of points either way (owing to volume handled)... It largely has to do with an intimate understanding of the history / minting process, or circumstances for each. Perhaps others can clarify based on that follow-up.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It all depends on you present eye sight . When I was a young collector I had no problem grading without magnification . Now at 71 , I need high mag plus my reading glasses under bright LED lights . Go figure .
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 Posted 11/27/2020  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anything circulated very well, otherwise it would be hard with grades of Mint State.

I like to think I grade well and fairly.

Sorry to caress my own ego - but coin grading is something I am a student of and a passion. When I get bored I go through random coins and grade them.
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 Posted 11/27/2020  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With practice I would say accurately up to at least MS-65. Above that I would think would be questionable without at least a low power glass. Especially at the 68, 69, ad 70 level.
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 Posted 12/03/2020  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely into the lower MS range. Which I've done before and it came back one point lower than my own estimate. Probably could have nailed it with optics, but I don't own any.
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