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1877 Indian Head Cent - Counterfeit

 
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 Posted 11/28/2020  9:46 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This "coin" has never been in circulation, but was created with a worn look to the Indian. They could have spent more time working out the denticles. The underlying metal shows around the reverse rim pretty well.

1877 Indian Head cent - counterfeit



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 Posted 11/28/2020  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn70 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stong 'N' in 'ONE' is a dead giveaway!
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 Posted 11/28/2020  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, the "Bold N" is only found on proofs of this year.
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 Posted 11/28/2020  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not just the bold N the whole obverse looks silly
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 Posted 11/29/2020  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone did do a lot of work to make it look real.
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 Posted 11/30/2020  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although a fake it does look fairly decent. The N does give it away but any new collector who didn't know the diagnostics for the shallow N would probably think this is legit. Thanks for sharing!

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 Posted 11/30/2020  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I would have fallen for it.
If I compare the counterfeit with a F12 on PCGS Photograde, I really don't see much difference if anything at all on the reverse.
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 Posted 12/16/2020  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ae802000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't of know it was fake. Glad I am reading through these forums.
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 Posted 12/16/2020  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice counterfeit!


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If I compare the counterfeit with a F12 on PCGS Photograde, I really don't see much difference if anything at all on the reverse.


The "shallow" N in ONE is a good diagnostic for genuine 1877 IHCs.

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 Posted 12/16/2020  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Shallow N" as in Grease Filled Die N?
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 Posted 12/16/2020  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"Shallow N" as in Grease Filled Die N?


Nope. All genuine business strike 1877 IHCs were produced from a single reverse die which had a weakly hubbed N in CENTS on the reverse. The only 1877 Indian cents with a crisp(ish) N on the reverse were the proof versions.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
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 Posted 12/16/2020  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is correct.
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 Posted 12/16/2020  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the die was not made properly? Why didn't they fix that and made a new die?
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 Posted 12/16/2020  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was not considered a faulty design at the time. It was the standard reverse before 1870, and used along side the new Bold N reverse in 1870, 1871 and 1872. After 4 years of the new Bold N reverse, the Shallow N reverse reappeared in 1877 for reasons not fully understood to this day, but most likely it was to get extra mileage out of this old undamaged die during a year when output was expected to be very low. The Bold N resumed in 1878.
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 Posted 12/16/2020  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The die is completely different, not an altered, worn or Grease Filled Die.

There are 2 primary differences in these dies.
1.) the appearance of a Bold vs Shallow N
2.) the serifs in the letter E in ONE and CENT have a different shape. The Bold N look like trumpet horns and the shallow N look like sideways "T"s.

Here is a link that shows the detail.....

http://www.fly-inclub.org/shallow%20N.htm
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 Posted 12/17/2020  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Bold and Shallow N varieties for 1870, 1871 and 1872 are generally easy to distinguish, even in well circulated grades.
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