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L. Julius L. F. Caesar Roman Republic AR Denarius 103 BC

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 Posted 11/29/2020  11:58 am Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin got me wondering as I tried to figure out which uncle is this etc to the dictator as there were so many in that family with this name:

1. What is the first coin that actually said "CAESAR" no matter who struck it?

2. Has there been other family names that became a title used all the way to the Russian "Czars" etc? I mean you get the title "Augustus" but that is not a family name. "Caesar" actually was.

Roman Republic AR Denarius
L. Julius L.f. Caesar, moneyer, 17 mm, 3.93 gm
Rome mint, 103 BC Helmeted head of Mars left; C above, CAESAR behind / Venus Genetrix driving biga of Cupids left, holding scepter and reins; C above, lyre below; L#8729;IVLI#8729;L#8729;F in exergue, Reverse "B" is the control mark Crawford 320/1; Sydenham 593; RSC Julia 4; Sear 198

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The origins of 'Caesar' and 'Augustus' are more alike than it may seem. Julius Caesar's family name is Julius (Iulius). The typical Roman patrician name has three parts: the praenomen or personal name, the gens or family name and the cognomen, a sort of official nickname or title. "Caesar", then, originated as a cognomen but because there were a relatively few gentes in Rome, the cognomen "Caesar", originally the nickname or title of one of Julius Caesar's ancestors, became attached to one sub-clan of gens Iulius to distinguish that family line from the other Julian lines. Similarly today society circles might distinguish the East Hampton So-Ans-Sos from the Greenwich So-And-Sos, as society so-and-sos are wont to do. So "Caesar", then, actually originated as a nickname or title bestowed on an ancestor of Julius Caesar, not altogether unlike the way "Augustus" began as a title conferred on Octavian. This Wikipedia page may be helpful in finding the answer to the question of moneyers.
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 Posted 11/29/2020  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This etymology for Caesar is interesting and seems to answer both your questions.

"an emperor, a ruler, a dictator," late 14c., cesar, from Csar, originally a surname of the Julian gens in Rome, elevated to a title after Caius Julius Caesar (100 B.C.E.-44 B.C.E.) became dictator; it was used as a title of emperors down to Hadrian (138 C.E.). The name is of uncertain origin; Pliny derives it from caesaries "head of hair," because the future dictator was born with a full one; Century Dictionary suggests Latin caesius "bluish-gray" (of the eyes), also used as a proper name. Also compare caesarian.

Old English had casere, which would have yielded modern *coser, but it was replaced in Middle English by keiser (c. 1200), from Norse or Low German, and later by the French or Latin form of the name. Csar also is the root of German Kaiser and Russian tsar (see czar). He competes as progenitor of words for "king" with Charlemagne (Latin Carolus), as in Lithuanian karalius, Polish krol.

The use in reference to "temporal power as the object of obedience" (contrasted with God) is from Matthew xxii.21. Caesar's wife (1570s) as the figure of a person who should be above suspicion is from Plutarch. In U.S. slang c. 1900, a sheriff was Great Seizer.
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Very nice, cool coin and write up too.
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