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Dateless 179? Liberty Cap Large Cent. Please Help To Identify Date.

 
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 Posted 12/20/2020  4:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a dateless 179? Liberty Cap Lettered Edge Large Cent. This coin is very worn down and shows no date. I have the Diameter Thickness and Weight of this coin. I feel the coins measurements align more with the 1793 Beaded Border Large Cent. The problem is looking at the border it does not look to be beaded at all. Lastly my co-collector thinks it could possibly be the 1794 Head of the 1793 due to the hair that is still visible. Stating that the hair flows more horizontally than diagonally. Hoping someone with Sheldon Verity knowledge can help identify the date. Pictures shown below.

Diameter 28.84 millimeters
Thickness 2.26 millimeters
Weight 12.44 grams





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 Posted 12/20/2020  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you sharpen that obverse close-up, please?



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 Posted 12/20/2020  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This will be the best I can do the coin is in bad shape.



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First of all, it cannot be a "1797 LCLC", as they were never struck...
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 Posted 12/20/2020  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a link to the Dan Holmes' Collection 1793-1814, page 1 1793-1795:
http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ter=1&page=1

also: look on the edge and see if the leaf tip after DOLLAR is pointing up, or down
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12/20/2020 5:34 pm
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I know its not a 1797. I am looking for a Sheldon Variety to confirm a specific date. Either 1793 due to the specs given or its a 1794 or 1795 because of the weight and lettered edge. Cannot be a 1796 due to the weight of the 1796 is much less. If anyone has Sheldon Variety Knowledge to confirm a date that would be much apricated. I believe a Sheldon Variety is the only way other than the specs given to determine the date.
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 Posted 12/20/2020  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check 1794 S-17 (is LI B separated like this?), and look at the leaf tip on the edge after DOLLAR: does it point up or down?
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12/20/2020 11:41 pm
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LI almost touching B is further away from I

So LI BERTY basically

I do not get this leaf thing I can barely find any information on it and no picture references.

Below are two more pictures one of the DOLLAR leaf and one of LI B zoomed in with red lines showing the spacing.

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 Posted 12/20/2020  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leaf tip points up? If that's a 1794 S-17b, send it out for Certification. It would be 4th(?) Known, worth Thousands

Heritage:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...ption-071515
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 Posted 12/20/2020  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It gets the "Two Thumbs Up" from my buddy, so Good Luck! Even if it were "just" a Hd. of '93, it's still worth hundreds. The 1794 S-17 is an easy Hd. of '93 to identify: the date is very widely spaced, and the LI B... is spaced this way only on the S-17.
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 Posted 12/21/2020  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very intriguing...where'd you get her?
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I don't see it as a 17, To me it looks like an 18b or 19b, rev doesn't match 19b so I think it is probably an 18b. (17and 18 use the same rev)

On 17 B is lower than the I and rotated clockwise, on 18 it is higher and not rotated. On the OP coin it is high and not rotated. The spacing between IB is not much different on either variety. On 17 the T is lower closer to the hair, on the OP coin it is distant which matches 18.
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Send it our for cirtification.
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 Posted 12/22/2020  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Conder101 for the feedback. Just curious why the diameter would be closer to 1793 mintage?
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 Posted 12/23/2020  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These early cents were struck without a close collar so their diameter with vary depending on the force of the strike. While the supposed standard for all the large cents were 28.5 mm, the early dates can vary anywhere from around 28 to as much as 30.5 mm. I find most of them are in the 28.5 to 29.2 mm.
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