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 Posted 01/13/2021  11:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A grosso issued during the papacy of Innocent XI (1676 - 1689). Just under 16 mm in diameter, with a weight of only 0.84 of a gram. Evidently silver but I'm in the dark as to its fineness. I just picked this up on a whim as part of a group of coins. I'm guessing that these are not especially sought after here in the U.S. but perhaps are more collectible in Europe. Any thoughts as to a realistic value are welcome.





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01/13/2021 2:38 pm
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Allen Berman wrote the book on these coins so if you can find his book or website you might get better info.
Just guessing it looks like perhaps a $30 coin in the catalog, but not sure about today's market.
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Krause 17th century: KM382. Highest value given is VF $ 35 (4th edition). Yours is better but has damage on the reverse
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Quote:
Allen Berman wrote the book on these coins...

Wasn't aware that such existed.



Published 30 years ago, and available copies seem to be fairly expensive.

He does have a website: http://www.bermania.com/

I can't get the link there to this book to work, however.

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I've seen and talked with him many times over years. But now there seems to be a downturn in his business dealings.
No doubt due to the virus and probably a lack of public coin shows.
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Berman 2126.

Looking for recent auction sales.

Edit: A recent CNG sale that went for $100. Overall grade similar, but without the defects reverse (I am not sure if this is PMD or a planchet defect). https://www.cNGCoins.com/Lot.aspx?L...IEW_TYPE%3d0

I can also find a sale at Nummus Auction 7 (late 2017) for 40 euro. So, perhaps worth a bit more than those catalog values.
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Berman (page 25) gives the specification of the grosso as 1.57 grams and 0.917 fine. For the half the fineness would be the same and the weight half, thus 0.785 grams.

The value is given as US$ 30 in VF+ condition.

The damage on your coin, the many small pits, are PMD in my opinion.
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