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1858 Canada 10 Cent...thoughts On Grade?

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 Posted 01/13/2021  8:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello - here's another pretty thing for your consideration. Curious to know where people would put this grade-wise. Somewhere in the EF-AU range I'm thinking?



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 Posted 01/14/2021  07:08 am  Show Profile   Check TheDeductible's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TheDeductible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice obverse.

I'd have to venture AU58, with only the reverse holding it back from MS due to the line through the date and the marks that look like bubbles under the C in CENTS. Otherwise, I see no wear at all.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's clearly an issue with the initial strike but would you say that the sort of smeared (not sure what the right word is) effect along rim at 6 o'clock on the reverse and 12 o'clock on the obverse has an impact? I've seen this effect on a number of coins. Maybe I should create a specific thread about that issue...
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 Posted 01/14/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also say AU-58
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 Posted 01/14/2021  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-58 sounds about right.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
55 at least.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU58
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 Posted 01/14/2021  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS. I see no wear. Nice clash.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those aren't bubbles they are clash marks.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Levaril to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm kind of curious about the areas that Silver asked about too. On the obverse from about 10 to 1 and on the reverse from about 4 to 8, there is no definition between the upper part of the denticles and the rim. Like Silver I would tend to blame the strike since there really is no wear to be seen elsewhere on the coin, but on a somewhat worn coin it would look a lot like uneven rim wear. Was the planchet seated weirdly in the collar when it was struck or was something a little off with the dies or....?
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 Posted 01/15/2021  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be MS but will need a sharper photo
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 Posted 01/15/2021  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Levaril - yes - I have another post about this issue here on the grading page. It's something that you see from time to time. It's got to be something that happens during production but that does not damage the surface - just screws up the denticles. My other question is how does it influence grade? It could either have no effect but introduce a 'details' notation (though, what is the name of that notation?) or it could drop it by a few points on the Sheldon scale. I would lean towards the former but I don't know.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Levaril to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the rim from the side is it thinner there or the same as the rest? I can think of several possibilities but some would be eliminated depending on what your answer is to that.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No - same thickness at the edge....
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 Posted 01/15/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Levaril to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay so that limits the possibilities then for sure. It makes me think that you are seeing the raw planchet surface in those spots or something like that. I wonder if the thickness of the areas where there are fields on both sides of the coin are consistent or if it's a little thicker closer to the worn looking rims. I'd bet it's incrementally thicker there. If it is then my guess would be that the top die was somehow slightly cocked when it went in and the one edge didn't get struck properly as a result. It's very well struck on the opposite side. If that's the case then if you were to cut the coin in half you'd be able to see that the surfaces of the dies got much closer on the other side of the coin and not so much on the worn looking side. And that is a totally made up theory! Lol.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not bad for 11 am on a Saturday morning....
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