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Why 2 Different Designs On 1852 Quebec One And Half Penny?

 
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 Posted 01/21/2021  3:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bond632 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Seeing that the pantograph has been around since 1788 and that most mints would have had one by 1852, I find it curious that the one penny and the half penny Quebec bank tokens for 1852 are of two similar, but different designs. One would think that they would use the exact same design for both. Would anyone happen to know the reason behind this?
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not sure what you mean, both have nearly identical designs. and carving dies nearly 170 years ago will lead to some small deviations (compared to today's production methods).

what "differences" do you see?
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The outstretched arm is in a different position and the marks on the beehive go in different directions, just to name a few. I will try to add pictures, but I don't really know how to just yet.
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I would imagine that the master punches or hubs were designed slightly different. I think the design :idea" is the same, showing, essentially, the same theme, but 2 different people/groups designed/made the masters. Both masters were made from scratch, so there will be differences. Just comparing the distance/rotation of the lettering with regard to the main design element shows you many differences. I think that both are very nice tokens.
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If the tokens were made before 1836, then they would have been individually hand carved, making them both similar but unique in their own way.

But that shouldn't be the case for these tokens, One would think that they should both be exactly identical, coming from a reduction lathe, from the same galvano.
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Until the invention of the Janvier reduction machine at the end of the 19th century pantograph lathes were extremely slow and inaccurate.
Most mints chose to hand engrave as it was cheaper and faster.
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I suspect size plays a vital role also. Akin to the St. Georges, the mantle of the ONE PENNY shews seven pleats while the ONE HALF PENNY shews only five. The Anchor Rope Dots on the ONE PENNY are much stronger than on the ONE HALF PENNY, etc.

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