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Newbie In Laughlin, 1968 D Penny DDO? Or? Please Help.

 
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 Posted 04/06/2021  7:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add quequerre to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I think this could possibly be a DDO. But, seeing how I have no experience and little knowledge so far, please help me.
I would truly appreciate anyone that can give me some insight on this coin. Thank you in advance to all who are willing to help

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 Posted 04/06/2021  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Much larger close-up pics needed. These don't tell us anything, I'm afraid.



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 Posted 04/06/2021  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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w need larger images. maybe a close up of the DDO you are seeing.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First welcome to the the forum I've been to Laughlin many times. I like doing karaoke there many times in different casinos there through the years.
Three different issues happen on that year:
1. Machine Doubling:
Depends on the devices, what they look like. There is a great chance it is Machine Doubling as the 1968-1972 had lots of Machine Doubling. What does Machine Doubling look like?

Not the tops of the devices on the upper image. Note how the devices on the outside edge are flattened. This is not Machine Doubling. ALso on the second image the direction is different but also showing Machine Doubling. This is quite common this year.
2. Swollen master hub issues that year:
But some other odd things happened that year. If you are seeing the devices touching the rims or even in the rims. That was an issue with the master hub and all the cents that year looked like that.

The following year they created a new master hub that didn't have the swollen issue. When you the two dates side by side, then you will see what I'm talking about:

So it that is what you are seeing, that also is not a doubled die.
3. Doubled working hub doubling:
A third issue was on the motto devices that year:

Now the example above this is not a DDO. It is a doubled working hub issue. I've had this issue for a long time and always had my doubts as they were many listing that all looked the same, and the reason was the doubled working hub was creating doubled dies that were all alike. Note the examples from this site:
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...O%201968.htm
They all have the same issue and were from a working hub that was doubled and creating dies with the same doubling. So they are not real doubled dies, but they look like what you would see on a doubled die. (This does happen quite often, but when it does, it creates issues.
These were showing up on many different dies and they determined it was a doubled working hub issue. Not the affected area above on this. if is called on the site:

Quote:
1968-P,D,S 1˘ WWHO-001 Doubled Working Hub

http://doubleddie.com/814639.html


What type of images will be helpful to us?
So I've revealed three issues that year. So if you have a read doubled die, the last tag will help you identify what die it might match up to. But keep in mind the one with the WWH0-001 is not a real doubled die. So when you get some images that we can see what you see, then we can help you. Something like these:






Images this size would be more helpful to see what you have. Normally there is not this much going on in one year, but without images I was trying to show you, what would help us see what your are seeing on your coin. Let us know what you are seeing on your coin that may already match your coin.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/06/2021  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quequerre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize for the awful pics but, I do not have any device that can offer any bigger/better pics at this time. I seem to notice on these forums when a newbie tries to get info on any coins they think they might have, a lot of veterans respond with answers that some people might take a bit rude. I started my post indicating I was a newbie, therefore my experience is zero to none. With that being said maybe helping people that are new to this sport, if you will, can possibly keep it thriving and around much longer for generations to come. Speaking/answering/teaching an individual especially when an audience is present in a manner such as this with anything negative, condescending or belittling is an awful way to treat people who are obviously trying to learn. Have a little patients, welcome new people, make them comfortable not inferior. It just might make you smile while doing it.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quequerre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you to the people that did take the patients to explain their answer to me. I do appreciate it.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
COOP you are the master.

4 years ago at ANA I have a very nice supper and then half of night conversation with two of the most recognized experts. We come at the same variety and errors must be divided.

Actually I studied to make a table of causes and the probability of the rarity.

I wrote this here to appoint the deep studies of COOP. Nothing to add on.
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 Posted 04/06/2021  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I have lots of images. 11,816 right now on my image host. Getting close to 12K soon. Adding more every day.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 04/07/2021  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop I hope ANA will come free of restrictions soon and to meet. Your work must stay and be a reference. No work is nothing for nothing.
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 Posted 04/07/2021  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quequerre, I am sorry if you took things like asking for larger images personally. These couple of requests where made in an effort to help you, not criticize you. If we cannot see your coin close up, we cannot share our opinion with you. Coin photography isn't easy, but please keep trying until you get. The size requirement is achievable as you can see from other postings. If you need specific help, just ask, we'll help if we can. Practice with the photography, you'll get it with time!

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 Posted 04/07/2021  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quequerre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, yes photography is definitely going to take sometime for me to master. I think I should invest in a better camera, my phone just isn't cutting the mustard. Nevertheless, thank you for everyone that responded to my post, much appreciated. I will return with some pic's when I get it together ;-)
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 Posted 04/07/2021  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You say your phone, my brother give me a Nikon, a Sony and a Laika with all kind of thinks near. He take pro photos. Photography is a talent, what we can do is our best, not more not less.
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 Posted 04/07/2021  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parnelli917 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If using a phone camera, you might try placing the phone on a stack of books about 6-8 inches high (can't remember who posted this but its a great idea). Make sure the image is focused. Use your zoom to get as much of the coin in the frame. Using books prevents a lot of movement when you snap and you can calibrate the distance from the coin through trial and error. Good luck!
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