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Help With 3 Coins Genuine Or Fakes

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 Posted 05/28/2021  3:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jaymassive79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Hi guys

I was looking at opinions on the following 3 coins.

Many thanks in advance

Jay







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 Posted 05/28/2021  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Offering no comment on the UK seller which I easily found, here are all the current listings this person has in ancients. Again, not commenting at all, just helping out the board.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-Anci...yalantiquity
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 Posted 05/28/2021  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link, Joe.

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Thanks for the info

I didnt know if we could name sellers so just put the coin pictures up.

They all seemed fake based on what I have learnt so far after a fair amount of reading. Its good to have that validated by experienced people like yourselves.

Also this seller swears blind his items are genuine which really isn't cool. If I hadn't been doing a lot of reading on fakes then the sellers confidence in them been genuine could have fooled me as a new comer. It saddens me to see the positive feedback left for fake items as well shoeijg so many are conned.

Cheers Jay
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 Posted 05/28/2021  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ah, DANGER, Will Robinson!
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 Posted 05/29/2021  03:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaymassive79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


What's people's thoughts on the 3rd coin (which is from a different seller to the first 2 coins).

Cheers Jay
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 Posted 05/29/2021  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I was looking at the enlarged non linked pictures as coins a t a coin show, I would have thought: 'not happy',
and quietly moved on without causing a stir, because I would have assumed that all of the rest of his coins may have been genuine without examination.
Even the most honest of dealers are, after all, human and can make honest mistakes just as easily as myself, especially after viewing lots of coins in a short period of time, especially at coin shows.

Innocent until proven guilty, give the benefit of doubt, definitely with a dealer who has worked hard to establish an excellent reputation for honesty.
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 Posted 05/29/2021  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Julius Caesar elephant would have fooled me. It looks like environmental damage and or crystallization on the coin, which I would assume is hard to fake.
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Silver crystallization can show itself as fine parallel ridges under the surface of an ancient silver coin and can also result sharp edged chips on the circumference. Such coins can easily break apart.
From appearance, definitely a possibility in this case.

On the third coin from a different seller, (Divvs Antoninvs), I have seen poor lettering style such as this on genuine denarii.

I cannot say for sure that any of the coins are definitely fake, I am just not very happy with them. I am not keen on the style of the Julius Caesar Elephant and implements denarius. As a customer, lost of money at stake if I get it wrong.

That it why it is so hard for a dealer looking at coins such as these at a coin show to make a sure decision for himself, if offered to him for inventory.
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 Posted 05/29/2021  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaymassive79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

So are people leaning to the 3rd coin (bottom coin) as been genuine?

For me the black pantina looks wrong with almost streaks in it? Wrong word maybe. Also the lettering but as someone said they have seen that lettering on genuine coins.

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 Posted 05/29/2021  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again about the third coin as you asked specifically: Offering no comment on the Cyprus seller which I easily found, here are all the current listings this person has of Pius Denarius Coins. Again, not commenting at all, just helping out the board.

https://www.ebay.com/str/coinsrare?...ius+denarius

And specifically the coin you are asking about directly:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353509716781
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 Posted 05/30/2021  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaymassive79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Offering no comment on the UK seller which I easily found, here are all the current listings this person has in ancients. Again, not commenting at all, just helping out the board.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-Anci...yalantiquity


Apologies if I have been doing things incorrectly in other hobbies / forums its not allowed to post links to live ebay auctions and if you have questions you are to just post images of the item you want to question.

In future if I have a question about an item live on ebay do I just post the auction link?

In regards to the 3rd / bottom coin is the consensus at this point that it may be real? Maybe be fake? Without saying one way or the other?

Many Thanks Jay
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 Posted 05/30/2021  11:33 am  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jay;

You want to buy an ancient coin but you probably have a full time job and as you know time you spend here trying to figure out if a coin is real is directly costing you money in that respect and potentially adding stress to your life. So why not just take the easy way out of all of this stress and submit the eBay listing to NGC for an expert opinion for only $5? The link is below and you will be able to rest easy in your bidding plus $5 these days can barely buy a person a sandwich let alone a drink and chips so you can't beat the price.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/expert-review-ebay/
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 Posted 05/30/2021  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Apologies if I have been doing things incorrectly in other hobbies / forums its not allowed to post links to live ebay auctions and if you have questions you are to just post images of the item you want to question.

In future if I have a question about an item live on ebay do I just post the auction link?

It would probably be best if you can do both, post a re-downloaded picture and a link. Because the eBay link will expire in a few months, so this thread would become useless for future reference without a permanent picture.

Occasionally, we get scammers and fake-sellers who attempt to use the forum to advertise and validate their own bogus coin listings. The mods and admins are usually pretty quick to spot such shenanigans, and delete their links and posts. If you're not a scammer, we have no problems with you posting a link to an eBay auction you want to enquire about, with the proviso that we prefer you to borrow and download a picture of the coin in question as well.

That being said, I would agree with the majority of experts on this and other coin forums: if you're just starting out buying ancient coins, it's probably best to stay away from eBay. Stick with trusted ancients dealers, ones that have been around for decades and offer an "eternal" guarantee on the authenticity of every coin they sell. If you must stick with eBay, then at least run your seller past the Notorious Fake Sellers List, and run the coin past some expert eyes.
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 Posted 05/30/2021  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for coin #3, my opinion would be "genuine, but poorly re-toned". All ancient coins (except maybe the gold ones) require cleaning of some form after they've been dug up. The cleaning process usually strips any tarnish from silver coins. Now, you can wait decades for the coin to re-tarnish naturally, or you can try to hurry things along - tarnish can be re-applied using sulfur-based patent formulas like Dellers Darkener, but as with any art, you can do a good job, or you can do a poor job. This coin looks like a poor job.
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 Posted 05/31/2021  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaymassive79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jay;

"You want to buy an ancient coin but you probably have a full time job and as you know time you spend here trying to figure out if a coin is real is directly costing you money in that respect and potentially adding stress to your life. So why not just take the easy way out of all of this stress and submit the eBay listing to NGC for an expert opinion for only $5? The link is below and you will be able to rest easy in your bidding plus $5 these days can barely buy a person a sandwich let alone a drink and chips so you can't beat the price.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/expert-review-ebay/"

Apologies I can't find a reply and quote button so I've done it manually.

That's an interesting service and one that comes into its owns when buying coins of a reasonably high value.

I personally don't have the budget currently to warrant it. (I've a budget of around 50 per coin atm due to our 1st baby and us selling our house to buy a bigger one this year ). Also I want to build up my knowledge over the next few years before going for higher tier coins.

I am not totally new I have a small collection so far (ill post some pictures for thoughts separately). I have bought on ebay yes but with a lot of research and care and also used a specialist supplier who is very well known / trusted.


Prior to posting I had read numerous threads where experts had posted advice on coins people owned or were interested in buying. This forum was actually recommended to me as a safe place for new people to the hobby to be able to post, ask questions and to be helped out not jumped upon.

From a new user perspective when you replied to my earlier posts saying I'm not making comments on the coins but I have found the ebay seller and posted the links it was to me a little confusing to be honest.

Even after that rather than provide any help or bring any knowledge to the discussion, talk about the coins in question your response is use this paid service else where instead? Yet this section seemed to be filled full of the same type of threads "can you help with this coin". Now don't get me wrong I can understand that often people come here just to get a coin they found in a house clearance identified after the 10th time that may get a little grinding, but I would have thought when its a post from someone clearly interested in the hobby then that's something you'd want to support and cultivate not fob off, push away etc.

Cheers Jay
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