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Crown Etiquette Anyone?

 
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 Posted 09/20/2021  03:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
OK, this dumbo here is used to Australian modern coinage where all coins are given a portrait upgrade of HRM in a single year. Was recently googling a 1889 penny with a crownless Victoria and noticed that crowns, shillings etc of the same period had a crowned Victoria. I assume the UK upgrades the portrait in a given year like we do in Oz so when did this change? Also, was there some form of etiquette such as no crown on lower denominations and crown on higher ones? Did this apply to all commonwealth coinage (i.e. from countries outside the UK?). I sometimes think that I'm a cat re-incarnate.
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09/20/2021 03:04 am
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 Posted 09/20/2021  04:11 am  Show Profile   Check PaddyB's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Generally in the UK we do upgrade all the portraits on our coins in the same year, although recently there have been two portraits on some coins in the same year, giving another excuse to collect!

The situation with your 1889 is different. The intention was to change all the coinage from the Young Head/Bun Head series to the Jubilee head in the same year - 1887 - to celebrate the Queen's Golden Jubilee. The Silver all went ahead, but the Bronze did not and instead happened in 1894. The story, possibly apocryphal, is that the Queen did not like the new design, but this was realised too late to change the plans for the silver. She vetoed the Bronze design and so it was a few years before the later design, Veiled Head, came in.
Generally there were many variations even under the nominally same bust design even before this, and of course the Gothic Florin had an entirely different form.

As to the Commonwealth, many larger countries had their own designs which varied enormously from the British versions. Even then, much of the Commonwealth coinage was struck in London, and may well have been designed there, well into the 20th century. India, Canada and Cyprus show some substantially different and interesting designs.

There was no link between the Crown on some coins and its valuation.
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Thanks for the info PaddyB.
Regarding 2 designs in 1 year, the same thing happened with our 2019 coinage. I suspect the number of LCT coins that year was a new record for any country.
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 Posted 09/24/2021  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that dominions/self governing colonies were permitted to use uncrowned portraits from the 1930s onwards and before that only the coins of Great Britain had uncrowned portraits (except for Edward VII British Indian coins for some reason).
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