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 Posted 10/02/2021  3:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Anzelmas to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, m8s!

I think this is crusaders coin. Can somebody identify it?

Billon?
Wieght 1.36 g
Diameter 19.5 mm


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 Posted 10/02/2021  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a crusader coin. It is a denier parisis by Philip IV or Philip VI of France. Here is one by Philip VI (the ones by Philip IV look very similar): https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces300687.html

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Edited: The center text on your coin reads
FRA
OCN
which is a common variety.
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10/02/2021 6:18 pm
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 Posted 10/03/2021  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anzelmas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot!
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 Posted 10/03/2021  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't really know this type, but have been looking at some examples on acsearch to see if there is any obvious way to tell the difference.

Here is the closest match I can find from Philip IV reign (Duplessy 221): https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1351197
And from Philip VI (Duplessy 273):
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2158848

Not knowing anything else about how to tell these apart, I would guess that the elongated curved base of the F on your coin would be the later reign, but I think we need someone with the Duplessy catalog to help.

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 Posted 10/03/2021  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, Duplessy says that while for the deniers parisis of Philip VI there should be some small symbol (dot, star, etc) between PhILLIPPVS and REX, those of Philip IV do not have a symbol between the words. That, and a small difference in nominal weight which is entirely within the range of possible variation between examples (1.274 g vs 1.171 g), are the visible differences pointed out by Duplessy. On the coin here it is hard to see whether there is some symbol before REX. I don't think the form of the letters can be used to tell the two apart. It's weight (1.36 g) would point to Philip VI, if anything.
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