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 Posted 01/16/2009  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one is almost certainly fake too.
I reported it to ebay as a suspected fake.
He has others that raise red flags too.

I recommend anyone see them, they report them.
There is a link at the bottom of every auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1892cc-morgan-dollar_W0QQitemZ110338704903QQihZ001QQcategoryZ39466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 Posted 01/16/2009  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dayum!
I checked his completed sales and I don't think
there was a real Morgan out of dozens he has sold
recently!

http://search-completed.ebay.com/se...sop=1&fsoo=1

The '9's and '2's look really 'off' on most of them.
Not to mention the monotone look of every single one,
except one that appears to have been whizzed.
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 Posted 01/16/2009  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a link to the auction in question:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...rpp=25&fvi=1

The seller's use of the English language suggests they are NOT native's of Ohio!

The price was too good to be true and with no photo of the reverse, I can't imagine buying this coin. You need to notify the seller and ebay ASAP. I would verify all dimensions/weight and take a couple good pics as well.

Sorry about your situation but it certainly looks like fraud to me.
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 Posted 01/16/2009  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO the use of fuzzy and small pics is intentional.
The seller has auctions of other legit appearing items
where the photos are much better.
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 Posted 01/16/2009  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller is putting a statement in their auctions
that they bought a hoard of Morgan dollars and are
auctioning them off.

I contacted the seller and suggested that they make
sure the person they bought from was legit and have
the coins checked as well. Just a friendly heads up.
I was extremely friendly and put them in the position
of 'victim'. If they didn't know the coins were fake,
they would respond openly and with interest.

However, this is what I got as a response:


Quote:
i pay my ebay for selling anything that silver
and gold+++you seem to be noisy,dont buy from me
mr ebay feeder.thank for looking in my feedback
acc....south slavers....i worked in floirda cheep
talk and liers.thanks from all state
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 Posted 01/16/2009  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jnm444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WHEW! You folks are awesome!! I've requested a refund..will let you know how he replies.
MANY THANKS!!
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 Posted 01/16/2009  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made the mistake of dealing with this freak of nature as well. Got my money back and a $10 coupon from ebay to cover my shipping expenses. The only thing I feel cheated about is that ebay removed the listing so I couldn't leave feedback. This, in my opinion, is as wrong as allowing this seller continued access to ebay at all.
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 Posted 01/17/2009  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only thing I feel cheated about is that ebay removed the listing so I couldn't leave feedback.


That is a beating!

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 Posted 01/17/2009  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kurtS good eye, these date digits are like none I have ever seen before, I have a few hundred morgans and for one the date is much to large and also the date, like none other, every digit is just about touching the denticles, the arc of the digits at the bottom is very odd, IMO this is a very suspect coin, get a refund and call a cop, you have been robbed........
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 Posted 01/17/2009  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
half-bust...
I noticed in his feedback that someone had a similar
experience. Apparently they couldn't leave FB on the
bad transaction, so they bid and won an IHC auction
for the sole purpose of leaving FB. I can only assume
they didn't follow through with the IHC purchase.

Edit:
I had a similar experience in October with another seller.
Rather than leaving the auction up, and letting me neg the
seller to warn other folks. ebay removed the auction, like
they have been doing a great deal lately, and this left me
unable to leave feedback on that seller.

I am starting to wonder if ebay is doing this to cover up
a problem... ? Or are they trying to keep high dollar
sellers feedback from going too low... ? Or is it just
an oversight by ebay that they are depriving folks of leaving
FB inadvertently?

Whatcha think?
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01/20/2009 09:18 am
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 Posted 01/19/2009  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been in touch with the buyer of this 1903-O.
It has been weighed and was of correct grams! However,
if you look at the coin, it certainly appears to be
a problem coin. Very suspect, especially looking at
the date... Thoughts?
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 Posted 01/20/2009  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When a seller has auctions like this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/40-SILVER-ROUND_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/110337389933 target= _blank rel= nofollow 110337389933 /a QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_Bullion?hash=item a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/110337389933 target= _blank rel= nofollow 110337389933 /a &_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2%7C65:13%7C39:1%7C240:1318

It's pretty tough to believe anything else they say!

P.S. He also sells very convincing 2-sided Peace dollars.
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 Posted 01/20/2009  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I basically know nothing about Morgans, so I studied a few at Heritage to learn something.
Just a quick comparo between this coin and what I saw. For starters, what is up with that 3?

Fake-Morgan-???

Yeah--obviously a bad copy.
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For starters, what is up with that 3?
It looks almost as if someone made a counterfeit 1908 before realizing "Oops! There were no 1908 Morgan dollars! No problem, I'll make it a 1903 instead!"
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 Posted 01/20/2009  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went through the same exact thought process.
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