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1757 8 Reales Pillar Type Peru Lima Mint - Listed In Red Book Of US Coins

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I acquired this coin because it was an important part of U.S. history. The Spanish milled dollar or 8 Reales coin was effectively the reserve currency of the world at the time and that applied to all other denominations of Spanish coinage. Until 1857, Spanish gold and silver coins were legal tender in the U.S. This 8 Reales coin is the Silver counterpart to the US Dollar and also the predecessor to the 8 Reales coin I acquired in this related thread: http://goccf.com/t/410029

Smaller silver Spanish coinage circulated widely in the colonies and the United States alongside other foreign coins as locally produced coinage was scarce. The 8 Reales coins were chopped into 2, 4 or 8 "bits" to make change.

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Many of these intact silver majors also sat in bank vaults like gold coinage and served as reserves backing paper currency and notes issued, which were more practical to carry around and exchange. This example looks like it sat in a bank vault for a long time based on the high grade. Below is an image of posted exchange rates in North America for foreign coinage published by Michener.

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NGC says that the mintage for this year is unknown, but the Pillar type had a long run from 1732 to 1772 and littered the world with Spanish silver. This was the de facto currency of global trade. This belies the huge silver discoveries in the New World and why these distant colonies were so valuable to European sovereigns. This particular coin was minted during the reign of Fernando VI (pictured below), the predecessor King of Carlos III.

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These were struck in the middle of the North American colonial period and prior to when the establishment of the U.S. Mint could have been imagined. This coin would have been used as money all over the world, but primarily in the colonial trade in the New World.

Thoughts? Thanks!

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10/29/2021 8:14 pm
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I'll take a shot and say XF-40 on this one. I like the toning as well. But I have to say I definitely like a human face on a coin. Very nice piece regardless.
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@ns, normally we move threads with these coins over to the world section, although for sure it is a bit of a grey area. As you likely know, there are a couple folks who hang out there any really know these coins. I'm not sure if they will see them here. Please click on the "report this post to the staff" link if you change you mind and want these threads moved over there after all. Thx and a couple more super pick-ups for you!
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Thank you Spence. I think I would like these to remain here because they are part of my pre-U.S., Colonial and U.S. pre-Mint collection of coinage. I am not collecting these as Peruvian or Chilean coinage, but only because they were important in commerce here before we had a national Mint producing official U.S. coinage.

Is it possible for me to post a thread there linking these 3 threads and asking for their expert opinions there?
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That is a good question, but a bit above my pay grade. As you know, we don't allow duplicate threads, but that isn't really what you are proposing. Perhaps just dm them if you want their opinions?
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Many thanks Spence!
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Still getting used to grading of 18th century coins. This was graded AU58 by NGC. I don't see a lot of wear but not what I would typically consider a hair away from unc. Bought it for the wonderfully colorful luster.

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For those who are wondering, the obverse legend "UTRAQUE UNUM" means "BOTH ONE." It refers to the two globes that represent the Old World and the New World. LM appears twice and refers to the Lima Mint in Peru. The reverse legend reads "HISPAN ET IND REX FERDND VI D G" which translates to "SPAIN AND INDIES KING FERNANDO 6TH BY THE GRACE OF GOD (DEI GRACIA)."
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Holy mackerel I was way off! The pictures present no luster, but upon closer inspection I see rough, original surfaces in the fields. These sure came in rough shape from the mint. Goes to show there is a lot to learn!
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