1881 S Morgan For Grade - And - Is This A Pl, DMPL Or Not?

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When I saw this at a local coin store yesterday, I had to buy it. I don't think I'm much of a coin grader and would welcome feedback on a grade for if. It's difficult to capture when these are in a plastic case, but this has the appearance of a cameo proof. I'm hoping it's PL or DMPL. I spent hours on trying to VAM it, and it looks like there are more hours ahead on that, but really wonder what you would grade this and if you think it's PL, DMPL or not. Thank you.

Surface detail does not show clearly in either set of pics.

I took the case apart and re-snapped the pictures with the coin resting in it without being covered (so I didn't have to touch it). Do these show better? Thank you.

If not, I'll probably delete this post and start over.

I don't see proof like but maybe just the pics . If the check scrape is just the luster I'll toss out 65 . They tend to grade 81S tough. My 65 looks prooflike and 66

Thanks much Jason, really appreciate. Still working on better pics.

From some of the pics it *might* go PL. Probably 64-65.

I don't see proof like in the photos.

You are looking for more of a cameo look for a proof like designation.

The images you've posted show the obverse fields as a bit hazy and probably would not receive a PL designation.
MS64 for me.

I think it might push MS65.

So what's the VAM question?

Edited by NDBirdman
12/25/2021 12:58 pm

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To me it looks more like a VAM 1 than anything else, but I don't see the markers in the first 8 of the date. I keep going over the VAMs but so far have been unable to match it to one.

Don't wear yourself out trying to VAM an 1881-S. This issue can be one of the toughest to nail down if you don't have a smoking gun S/S mint mark, VAM-1B or VAM-54B ( VAM of the year btw)
Of the 10 examples I have only one I have been able to attribute as a VAM-13, an S/S.

Thank you Dave700x. I guess I'll put this down, I've spent a pretty good amount of time on it and without your comment, who knows how long I would have chased my tail?

You and me both brother....

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