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1882 CC Morgan Dollar PCGS Vs. You

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 Posted 12/21/2021  11:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
True View, to its credit, really does accentuate the flaws! Needless to say, this coin looks MUCH better in person. Do you agree with PCGS here? Let's find out.



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 Posted 12/21/2021  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some major contact marks on the cheek and in front of the neck. Reverse is chattered up too. I'll take your word that it looks better in person, and I'll give it an optimistic MS-65.

EDIT: Forgot the PL. MS-65PL final answer
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 Posted 12/21/2021  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drmenard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got some deep scars on the cheek so I am going to say MS63 DMPL.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  12:26 am  Show Profile   Check Collects82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Such a great year!

Ouch on the scars on the cheek. Quite a bit of chatter on the Reverse, but TPGs tend to be more lenient on that side.

Love the die cracks, don't see that too often on the CCs I suppose.

63PL, not sure we can get over those for what could have been a 64.
My hoard of '82s is up to 241! 218 BC x 1, 118 BC x 3, 18 BC x 1, 82 x 1, 182 x 1, 282 x 2, 382 x 1, 582 x 2, 682 x 1, 782 x 2, 882 x 1, 982 x 4, 1082 x 1 1182 x 8, 1282 x 2, 1382 x 1, 1482 x 6, 1582 x 13, 1682 x 17, 1782 x 60, 1882 x 68, 1982 x 45
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 Posted 12/22/2021  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Deep scratches on the cheek should limit the grade to 63 but the overall eye appeal might support a 64 grade. Too much field haze for DMPL but PL seems likely.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  06:09 am  Show Profile   Check pristine2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've developed real, enduring hostility for "TrueView". I don't trust images labelled with that mark.

I'm gonna guess that PCGS gave it the DMPL ... that cheek scar is hard to ignore though. Must have been quite a knife fight.

MS62DMPL is where I land.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63PL from these images.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with most others. Looks like a 63PL from these images but would not argue as high as 64 DMPL from PCGS based on your word.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-62PL due to her cheek which is a shame as otherwise I would of said 64. While true views may make some areas stand out they also may the coins look better.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say 63 DMPL, 64 wouldn't entirely surprise. Nice coin.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couple major hits on the cheek. MS63 DMPL
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 Posted 12/22/2021  10:55 am  Show Profile   Check Collects82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've developed real, enduring hostility for "TrueView". I don't trust images labelled with that mark.


That's really where I am at. While they may have somewhat perfected the art of getting a good looking photo, how often do the actual coins actually look that nice in hand? I'm disappointed almost all of the time. The photos set such high expectations and the coins rarely live up to them.

The new mantra around here might be "buy the coin, not the TrueView"
My hoard of '82s is up to 241! 218 BC x 1, 118 BC x 3, 18 BC x 1, 82 x 1, 182 x 1, 282 x 2, 382 x 1, 582 x 2, 682 x 1, 782 x 2, 882 x 1, 982 x 4, 1082 x 1 1182 x 8, 1282 x 2, 1382 x 1, 1482 x 6, 1582 x 13, 1682 x 17, 1782 x 60, 1882 x 68, 1982 x 45
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 Posted 12/22/2021  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Collects82: I have seen it both ways. I have seen some coins that are a little crusty in person with get amazing true view images (at just the ONE right angle of lighting that would give the amazing color appearance of luster, and some (like this one) where marks seem much less visible and pronounced on the actual coin than they do on this image.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
82(CC) is one of those years that are not typically sharp and bold at Carson City. PL or DMPL is not out of the question but difficult without something to determine depth. it looks DMPL. what a shame about that jaw hit. right where you dont want it and its pretty deep. I'm hoping you got a MS64 DMPL on the label but the is a possibility that hit could knock a full point.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry but if that got a 64 with that cheek PCGS has lost some serious credibility
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 Posted 12/23/2021  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry JasonKFlo, but PCGS did call it MS(64)PL. The marks are less distracting in person, but I understand more and more the subjectivity of TPG. I also understand that for many of you, the neck marks are a deal-breaker. Thanks so much for your opinions!

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