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Thoughts On Another "Beaded Border" Classic Large Cent?

 
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 Posted 12/08/2022  10:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Areas that drew my interest:



Date compared to a genuine example:



https://www.ebay.com/itm/385276450520

I did write a Coin Week article on these:

S-280 only variety for the date...
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12/08/2022 11:16 am
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 Posted 12/08/2022  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ask the seller to remove the coin from the holder and send new pics.
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 Posted 12/08/2022  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you need that for the date?
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 Posted 12/08/2022  11:17 am  Show Profile   Check CarrsCoins's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its actually the color that give me red flags first. I would steer clear because of that alone.

then there is the date. I agree that punch is wrong.

it is also missing the diagnostic die crack in the wreath under the second s in states. ive never seen an 1809 without the crack. I suppose they could exist without the crack but ive never seen it and ive been proactively looking for a while now.

100% fake. thanks for posting it!
I collect low grade large cents. I currently have >230 Sheldon varieties and >235 middle date Newcomb varieties.
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12/08/2022 11:18 am
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 Posted 12/08/2022  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got the books to ID the variety.
But the pics need to be better.
And like CoinFrog said, "... remove the coin from the holder".
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 12/08/2022  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Check CarrsCoins's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there is only one variety for 1809. this aint it. the leaf positions are all wrong.

here is a nice real one


the leaf tips are in the wrong positions on the reverse. check out the location of the tip of the leaf under the F in oF and the second S and T in staTeS.
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 Posted 12/08/2022  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely! Counterfeits based on the 1814 Classic Head S-295 variety.

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 Posted 12/08/2022  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That date logotype is the obvious spot for me to look at first. But easy to see how these trick the innocent beginners in our hobby, this hurts us all by scaring new collectors out of the hobby entirely.

Thanks for the post Jack!
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