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 Posted 12/09/2022  09:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Glowing Giggles to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Broken ladder us $20



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 Posted 12/09/2022  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe these are broken ladders.
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 Posted 12/09/2022  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I tried to go to oldcurrencyvalues.com but kept running into problems, anyone else having an issue?
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 Posted 12/09/2022  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Among small size notes with 8 digits, there are only three possible ladder combinations -

01234567
12345678
23456789
(and of course the same numbers backwards)

A scrambled or broken ladder can only consist of one of these combinations, but in random order.

By definition, a ladder of any sort cannot have a duplicate number, which each of the OP's exhibit.

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 Posted 12/09/2022  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mostly with Coinfrog.

Ladder - In a ladder serial number, every digit is one number higher (or lower) than the previous digit. Really the only true ladder is a serial number than contains a letter then 12345678 followed by another letter. The true ladder in its purest form is only printed once for every 96 million notes in a standard print run. True ladders are rare and command a premium.

There are also many other examples of ladders. Some people would consider A00012345A to be a ladder. Others might call D00034567A a ladder which have duplicate numbers.The next closest thing to a true ladder in terms of value is the true reverse, backwards, or step down ladder. It looks like A87654321A in its best form. Reverse ladders are fun, but they are always less desirable than up ladders.

A cheap form of a ladder comes in the "broken" ladder as you somewhat are trying to post. It reads something like A01200304A. Some people like these, but they are really just more affordable versions of what people really want. Some do collect them and may sell on places like ebay to those casual collectors for small premium. Some scam artists have recently tried to push the "scrambled ladder." The scrambled ladder consists of 8 unique numbers, like A92378514A. These notes don't carry a premium but who knows what sells to very casual collectors these days who find something 'interesting'. Just keep in mind they would tend to not have resell value such as to real collectors or dealers in those cases but your allowed to collect anything you want!
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I tried to go to oldcurrencyvalues.com but kept running into problems, anyone else having an issue?


JOHN1: Yes that site seems to be up and down, generally you can always first visit the wayback machine and enter the url there to get a saved copy from as many different times as its been saved, very useful number of times in research such as seeing what a page looked like at different points in time or even long after the website went kaput for good. Keep in mind that not every page is saved and for some reason posting the full url to the saved page here on coincommunity does not pass the entire link when you click it, only part of it so it gets an error. You would have to copy the entire link until its fixed by Bobby131313.
https://web.archive.org/
Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20220410122632/https://oldcurrencyvalues.com/
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Welcome to CCF.
Try as I may to find something positive to say about the OP's notes, I've got nothing, zero, zilch. The term Broken Ladder is an eBay hype term, similar to Trinary. These, and other terms are used on eBay to peak interest in otherwise humdrum, uninteresting notes. Keep'em if you like them, but personally, I don't see any redeeming qualities in them whatsoever. None of them merit a second look.
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 Posted 12/13/2022  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Glowing Giggles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well as far as I know cause I do a lot of researches every day, on fancy paper money, fancy serial number and other platform a ladder is consecutive numbers no matter the order they are, from here it breaks down to given types like true ladders-
01234567,12345678,23459789 this is called ascendings
98765432,87654321,76543210 and so on this are called descendings
01562347 and any order this are called break through and any time thers 1 or 2 numbers that skips are called broken

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 Posted 12/13/2022  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Call them anything you like, but they still have no collector value.
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Besides I got in touch with a collector that inform that star notes no matter the year or condition always that they have a fancy are worth more then their face value, especially if the are ladders,

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You have mostly correct info except that 'scrambled ladders' unlike the other types of ladders mentioned really should not have any added value. Yes some very casual collectors on places such as ebay may buy them either because they think something is interesting for a personal collection, or more likely just being led to believe wrongly they hold similar value to the other types of ladders by sellers saying 'rare' or other terms, such as buyers paying $3.50-4 for a $1 broken ladder on impulse buy. To serious collectors and dealers they are worth face value so we are just helping you to suggest not spend lots of money on those type of hype product in hopes they will further increase in value over time similar to a true ladder which appeals to even serious collectors and can increase in value.

As to star notes, there are things that can determine if a star note is worth more than face value - condition, age, total number of star notes printed for the specific series/denomination/FRB, and the size of the print run as you can read about here since you seem like you want to learn (and there is a star note lookup link on the left side to look up your specific note). https://www.mycurrencycollection.co...ar-note-rare While some star notes absolutely have added value, A recent note with a high print run are currently not showing added value above face, but over time the rarer star notes may further increase in value while its unknown if the common ones ever will. This does not stop anyone from collecting them, only pointing out the potential value to others.
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 Posted 12/13/2022  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very well said.
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