Trial? Test? Experimental? Pattern Coin?

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DynexBATS New Member Philippines 5 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 09:16 am Hello!! Greetings to all of you. I've been keeping this coins for myself for god knows how long but today I'm gonna share it all to you just to give an awareness that this coins actually exist. I don't really know if its a trial / test / experimental or pattern coin, I really don't want to speculate. This are the details of each coin base on my many many years of research, please know that this is my hypothesis that I intended to share as a head start to those who want to know further about my coins. Here are the details: 1. 1965 Proof Quarter no mint mark 2. 1969 Proof Quarter no mint mark 3. 1974 Proof Quarter no mint mark 4. 1979 Proof Quarter with D mint mark 5. 1985 Proof Quarter with P mint mark 6. 1986 Proof Quarter with P mint mark 7. 1988 Proof Quarter with D mint mark 8. 1990 Proof Quarter with D mint mark 9. 1991 Proof Quarter with D mint mark 10. 1991 Proof Quarter with P mint mark 11. 1993 Proof Quarter with P mint mark 12. 1983 Proof Dime with D mint mark 13. 1946 Proof Penny no mint mark - even the 1946 "S" is a regular strike on this year. 14. 1960 Proof Penny with D mint mark - this is not a D over D but there is another D is on the rim. 15. 1967 Proof Penny no mint mark - it has a diamond tipped pit in both 12 o clock position on obverse and reverse. 16. 1971 Proof Penny no mint mark - 1971 "S" proof is rare and very expensive, what are the odds? you can do the math. 17. 1975 Proof Penny no mint mark - it was struck/stamp by something by something that I don't know, its far from the date though. 18. 1979 Proof Penny no mint mark 19. 1953 with D and 1973 with D penny - this two are actually also proofs but I experimented on them a long time ago, I left them in the open and change its location every 2 weeks to a month. different humidity, temperature etc. but not in the elements like sunlight or rain. and as you can see they tarnish differently. one has a light brown and the other has a beautiful orange red tarnish. it seems that all of this pennies have different metal composition. 20. 1989 Proof Jefferson nickel with D mint mark 21. "1963 Proof Jefferson 90% silver with no mint mark" - First thing you will notice about this is its more white, it really stands out to the other nickels. Its a little bit small in diameter, and thinner. Its about 20% smaller in total compared to a regular nickel, but its weight is 4.8 grams, it doesn't make sense for it size. So its suppose to weight only 4 grams for its size, its 0.8 grams denser then. Next I did was an ice cube test along with a normal 90% silver coin, a 40% silver coin and a normal nickel. I did it many time and I get same result, its as fast or sometime 2-3 seconds slower than 90% but that was understandable because I use a 90% quarter as a comparison, its has a larger surface than a nickel. I haven't tried any other test aside from that not only because its valuable but its my most favorite coin among all them. If you guys have more questions or some test you want me to perform on this coin, if its possible for me and it won't give any damage to the coins please fell free to ask. Anyway thank you for letting me join this forum. Have a nice day. https://pixeldrain.com/u/XEF3qYYK https://pixeldrain.com/u/z59hcsSt https://pixeldrain.com/u/b2PPfi2G https://pixeldrain.com/u/vYxm7PFh Report this Post to the Staff

bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24147 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 09:24 am I don't see a single proof in those images. Not one. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
DynexBATS New Member Philippines 5 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 10:09 am oh the shots are outdoor, in a daylight. this is what it looks like indoor. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24147 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 10:15 am Still not seeing it. Looks like a BU circulation coin. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
DynexBATS New Member Philippines 5 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 10:49 am How about the weight sir? Does BU circulation coin weigh like this? https://pixeldrain.com/u/K2Ece86c Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187446 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 11:10 am to the Community! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
DynexBATS New Member Philippines 5 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 11:23 am Thank you sir. Glad to be here. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24147 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 11:37 am Same year and date circulation coins and proof coins weight the same. But you weren't talking about weight, you said all the coins in your original post are proofs. I'm saying none of them are. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24878 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 12:00 pm These are not proof coins. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
DynexBATS New Member Philippines 5 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 12:04 pm yes sir. I said its proof, but you said its Bu circulation so I'm asking back if Bu circulation weigh 2.8grams? I must confess that I'm bad at taking a photos, so I took your opinion that its a Bu circulation. Now, I'm asking does Bu circulation weigh 2.8grams? What is this really mean is, you made an assessment base on what you see on the photos base on your opinion, is it really all that easy, there are alot of things needed to make an assessment. yet you said it twice that's its a BU circulation like you are 100% sure so I'm asking, does BU circulation really weigh 2.8grams? just to add up: I really hate schooling people but the correct way of assessing this is to ask for a magnification photo of the coin, if you see a multiple strike marks or not, that's how you can tell if its proof or Bu circulation. I hope you are aware of PR60 and impaired proof. In the end its still called a proof. Edited by DynexBATS 02/20/2023 12:55 pm Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24147 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 1:35 pm Quote: I really hate schooling people but the correct way of assessing this is to ask for a magnification photo of the coin, if you see a multiple strike marks or not, that's how you can tell if its proof or Bu circulation. Wow, you're schooling me? I'm aware most proof coins are struck twice, but I've never see "multiple strike marks" on a proof coin. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24878 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 2:02 pm DynexBATS, how did you determine that this 1975 LMC is a proof coin? Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 2:15 pm DynexBATS, What are you using to take photos with? A copper cent should weigh 3.1 grams +/- .12 grams mint tolerance. Proof and business strike coins will weigh the same. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1655 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 5:20 pm None of those coins look even remotely like proof coins. If one is underweight, that is another indication of a normal business strike, it is quite common for business strike coins to be off weight a bit, but the mint is more careful with proof coins. Edited by lcutler 02/20/2023 5:24 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94636 Posts	Posted 02/20/2023 5:42 pm I wish I could see even one proof in your lot, but, alas, there is none. How did you come to the conclusion that these business and somewhat damages coins are proofs - also how do you correlate BU coins to being only 2.8 grams? especially when you have a mixed lot of quarters, dimes, nickels, and cent coins (non of which should weigh 2.8 grams). Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
DiscoLover82 Valued Member United States 218 Posts	Posted 02/21/2023 08:24 am To make this clear to OP (as it doesn't seem anybody has specified this yet): the Denver mint has never made proof versions of circulating coins. Proofs were made in Philadelphia with no mintmark in 1964 and before, and in San Francisco with an "S" mintmark since 1968. Quote: just to add up: I really hate schooling people but the correct way of assessing this is to ask for a magnification photo of the coin, if you see a multiple strike marks or not, that's how you can tell if its proof or Bu circulation. I hope you are aware of PR60 and impaired proof. In the end its still called a proof. Whoever told you this is severely misinformed. "Impaired proofs" are a thing - but they have to actually be proofs first. There's no indication that any of these coins are anything other than regular circulation strikes, judging by the pictures and by the dates and mintmarks themselves. Also, that 1963 nickel is not 90% silver. It's made of an alloy of 25% nickel and 75% copper, the same as any other nickel since 1866 (with the exception of the 35% silver War Nickels made from 1942-1945). Edited by DiscoLover82 02/21/2023 08:25 am Report this Post to the Staff
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