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Mt. Hood 5 Oz. ATB Sighting At The Philly Mint

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In the last window (#36) of the self-guided tour is the area with the Grabener press that strikes the medals and the 5 oz. ATB issues. Today the workers were seen applying the ceramic blasted finish to the Mount Hood NF mintmarked coins and packaging them for shipment to the distribution center in Indiana.

What's interesting about the process is the 'unfinished' coins look remarkably similar to the bullion issues. The machine used is also worth a look. Fascinating and worth a trip to Philly to see dozens of large silver coins being handled and packaged.
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neat! I will check it out if I'm ever in the area.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlmostCollectible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That should definitely be a fun visit!
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That's really cool; thanks for the info. It's fascinating to hear about (let alone see) the coin making process. I know there have been several interesting shows regarding it on Science Channel / Discovery / etc. And I never tire of watching them.

I can't believe I lived in the Philly area for 10 years and never made it to the mint! Of course that was before I was collecting. Bummer though.
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I got to see it right before they began the bullion ATB's. At first I thought they were making dishes . I saw some coins but they looked more to be gold then silver. Feed back leaves me to believe they were medals. Not sure, did you get to see them making the coins? I'd love to get back their just to see that.
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The Grabener wasn't in production, but the wetechnology's vapor blaster was. The struck coins are put in a rotating assembly line collar that moves each coin into position to receive the water vapor treatment. Looks like really high pressure stuff and takes a full minute for each side to receive the blast. The collar holding the coins is what is causing the edge dents and other rim imperfections. After each coin is finish, a worker on the other side of the machine pulls the coin out & inspects and puts in a tray of coins ready for inspection. Next to that is table of unassembled capsules, the black ATB packaging and large shipping boxes. Some of those were already full of packaged coins. Didn't see any of the COAs, perhaps those get added to the packages at the distribution center in Indiana. Really made my day to witness a production coin that I might actually buy and collect.
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Again, thanks for the info, BizyBackson. So cool! I hope at some point in the future we get to see footage of the making of these amazing pucks on the Science Channel or similar.

Question. You said it takes about full minute per face of the coin, so assuming there's only one blaster per coin per side (which is probably a terrible assumption), it would take 2 x 27,000 = 54k minutes plus a few seconds of changeout/overhead time per coin to process an entire run.

So forget the overhead and say it's 2 minutes total per coin. 54k minutes = 37.5 days to vapor blast a run. (Unless there are two blasters hitting both faces at once. In which case, chop it in half. Doesn't sound like it based on your description though.)

And that assumes 24x7 operation, no machine maintenance/repair time. Highly unlikely.

That's a long time, so they must have multiple blasters, considering they're on a 3-week cycle at this point, AND factoring time in for machine/blaster maintenance/repair shift changes, sleep, QC/errors/etc.

Oh and that doesn't even include the pressing. Yikes!

Would really love to see it in action.
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Saw this assembly line procedure right in the smack middle of the workday, so during the 10 minutes or so that I stood over the area saw only 2 coins receive the treatment, and then the workers pulled out a camp table right next to the equipment and had lunch! The rotating collar only holds about 15 coins at a time and looks to be manually fed the coins, I didn't see this part, if it was one at a time, but I would imagine so. Both sides of the coin receives the treatment at the same time, I meant to say, nevertheless, it still looks like a labor intensive process.

The vapor blaster set up doesn't look that efficient, and I gave up trying to figure out the math because I was sure it was a whole lot faster than what I witnessed if they have to process all 27K per design with that one machine in the three week cycles they have been running with the pucks.

It would have been cool to photograph the area, but as it's a federal facility, no photos allowed. What was neat about the whole thing was being able to easily identify the pucks from 10 feet overhead in the viewing area, and all of the coins in sight had the Mt. Hood reverses up.

The Grabener wasn't in production, had it been, that would have been awesome. I read somewhere it's capable of striking 22 coins per minute, and I would go back to Philly just to see that monster in action. Hope to see a Discovery Channel or NG documentary on this procedure sometime.
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5oz. coin production @ the mint.

https://goccf.com/t/92544
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Thanks, Mach1! That was great - hope to see more of that kind of thing... perhaps a further YouTube search is in order.
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Great video! thanks for the link. Seems most of the workers had gloves, but they did show 1 person handling a coin without gloves. It looked like coins clanked around a bit during production and especially the moment after the press eject.
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Yea, looked like they clanked pretty good coming out of the press, followed by a nice rim clank when it slid out onto the conveyer belt. I thought it was funny when they were talking about the bullion version of the coin, and held up the numastic version (the mint mark was clearly visible) to demonstrate.

I also seen the part where they were holding a planchet bare-handed. Lets hope they wash those grubby paw-prints off at some point in the process!

I love videos like this. I remember one time I seen a show on how they make the .9999 pure gold Canadian Maple Leaf. I especially liked the part where they show the steps they go through to refine to gold to .9999 pure. They also showed them running the gold bricks through the rolling mill and punching the planchets. From raw gold to finished coin, all work was done in-house. Cool stuff!
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