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1798 Coin, Possibly Gold, Need Help

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 Posted 04/13/2018  1:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinCrazy91 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys.

I'm new to coin collecting and I just happened to be over at my grans and asked if she had any old coins she might have collected. She gave me a box and this one really stood out. I think it might be gold. I held a magnet up to it and nothing happened. Sadly it has a hole at the top, probably been used as a pendant. Is it a coin worth keeping, or does the hole really hurt the value?

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Hello Chris and !

I think that you've found a brass token, probably Victorian, made to imitate the gold Spade Guinea and Half Guinea issued in the reign of George III.

I've attached photos of my own George III half-guinea and guinea. There are quite a few variations in the lettering, crown and portrait:

Half-guinea:
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Guinea:
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A genuine half-guinea should be 20mm in diameter and should weigh 4.2 grams. A guinea should be 24mm in diameter and should weigh 8.4 grams.

Brass reproductions were used as counters in card games or holed to wear as jewellery like yours - they aren't of great value, but are a nice souvenir and some people collect them.
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Hey NumisRob

Thank you for clearing it up, I did weigh it, and it came to 4.6 Grams, and if you fill in the hole you're adding even more weight, so I think it's safe to say it's a brass token. Thanks!

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Chris
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Agree with above very likely a token, and yes holes do effect the price of a coin, but the intrinstic value/melt price isn't effected that much.
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A most interesting post for sure, certainly learned something here.
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This PDF from the British Numismatic Journal is the best free reference you can find for Spade Guinea imitations:

file:///F:/Coin%20books/SPADE%20GUINEAS.pdf


Otherwise, A Thousand Guineas from Galata Publications:

http://www.galata.co.uk/store.asp

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Hey guys, thank you all for the warm welcome! And thank you for the references, I will enjoy having a read.
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