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Artificial Frost On Proof Coins

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First off, this is not my coin. I do not collect these. I found it at an on-line Seller's store and the very heavy frosting got my mind running to look at the coin a little bit closer.

The frosting appears "funny" looking and seems to disappear around the bottom of Kennedy's jaw line. The lettering appears to be "heavy", too. I just am wondering if this is a frost paint job of some sort (?).

I remember about 40 years ago artificial frosting was a problem. There was a local dealer that was notorious for it and he had a reputation that followed him to his grave many years ago. After he died the artificial frosting kinda disappeared—— at least I don't remember seeing show cases full of painted coins any more at the shows I went to.

Do any of you guys run in to this kind of stuff in your travels or suspect that this is still being done in this day and age?

Have you ever submitted a cameo proof for TPG that came back questionable frosting?

Thanks!






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By the way here is the reverse of the above coin .

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Looks off to me , not just the frost but the whole coin . Black & White proofs do exist but I feel this one is too crazily exaggerated .
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Could just be the lighting
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Would like to view this one in-hand. Seems off, but unsure.
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yes 'could' be the lighting, but It looks like the 'frosting' is spilling out and over to the field of the coin. No straight edges where one would expect it to be straight and sharp. Overall, it does look 'off' to me as well.
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It looks more like photographic manipulation than an altered coin.
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Frankly, my bigger concern would be that it's a counterfeit. "Weird frosting" is much easier to apply on the coin as it's being struck, rather than an after-effect.
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Looks more like a Franklin Mint effort for some island nation than an official US Mint product!
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Looks like the same seller, located in AZ, I bought from one time - pics did not match the coin which was advertised as "Ultra Proof DCAM! Insane Quality!"
This is the seller pic:

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This is the coin:

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I left neutral feedback because of the departure from reality. The seller apparently was able to make my feedback evaporate.

I know grading and attribution are subjective but DCAM to me means noticeable frosting in any light.




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For me, this is more indication they are using enhanced photos.
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Although not a proof coin, here is another example of suspicious frosting. Looks like "over spray" from a bad paint job!


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Although not a proof coin, here is another example of suspicious frosting. Looks like "over spray" from a bad paint job!

silver spray paint and a bad masking job? very gaudy looking.

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Looks like the same seller, located in AZ, I bought from one time - pics did not match the coin which was advertised as "Ultra Proof DCAM! Insane Quality!"

That is what happens when the seller (not me) uses 'stock photos' I would have sent that back.
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to me the half looks like an average frosted proof with the photo's contrast turned way up digitally
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ebay sucks. Sorry, but that is my 2cents on the matter.
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