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Ancient European Coin Unidentified (Id: 1723 French India, Pondicherry Fanon)

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Hi, I have what appears to be an ancient European coin. It is approximately 3 CM across and has 9 crudely placed Fleur de Lis emblems on one side and a single crown on the other. Any ideas on the possible origin and age?
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The overall style makes me think early 17th century but I'm not very confident.

I'd guess a jeton (counter token), but even if so, it's not a design I recognize. Even for a jeton, it would be strange to not have lettering, and/or a recognizable emblem/coat of arms.
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I started off by agreeing with @j1m that you likely have a jeton here. I saw a similar pattern of nine fleur-de-lys in a couple places: jetons attributed to an anonymous French Prince of the Blood and Germany. The French versions are all stock photos from Alamy while the German piece can be accessed here:

https://www.numiscorner.com/de/prod...-40-45-brass

Neither one is a direct match, so then I used google lens on one of the Alamy pieces and found this which looks like a solid attribution:

https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...3e6ab8f4443e


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French India, Pondicherry Fanon (Two Sols), undated (1723), crown with 9 globules to crown, rev. 9 small fleur de lis (KM.42)...Issued by the Compagnie des Indes in 1732 for circulation in the lle de France and the lle de Bourbon (modern Mauritius and Reunion).



Added: Also, welcome to CCF! Thx so much for posting this mystery for us to track down.
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Well done, Spence!

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Numista: 1/2 fanon, 1 fanon. At ~3 cm you probably have a full fanon, KM# 42 and Numista 113458.

Definitely not a direction I would have thought of!

AFAICT "fanon" is probably a French spelling of what is usually spelled "fanam".
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Wow, thanks all for the welcome and Spence for figuring it out. It was a shot in the dark from my side and I didn't expect to figure it out. Thanks again!
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Always glad to help solve a mystery!
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Saw an interesting coin in the latest SARC auction and thought of this thread:

https://www.sarc.auction/FRENCH-IND...53_i54736340
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Saw an interesting coin in the latest SARC auction and thought of this thread:
Interesting.
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