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Brabant - 1 Escalin 1752

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Hi,

I recently aquired this coin and wondered if somebody could help with what the legend means.

Obverse
"MAR TH D G are JMP G HUN BOH R"

I assume the start of this is MARIA THERESIA DIE GRATIA EMPRESS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE - though I'm not sure what words the "R JMP" are actually short for. G HUN is something Hungary and BOH is probably Bohemia.

Reverse
BURG BRAB C FL ARCH AUS DUX

I think the reverse means "Duchess of Burgundy and Brabant, Countess of Flandre and the ARCH AUS is Archduchess of Austria. I'm not sure what "Duke" the Dux is referring to though.

Brabant---1-Escalin-1752


many thanks



Edit - I've had to upt quotes around part of the text as this board keeps changing are to Are - very strange
Edited by Bacchus2
04/23/2011 2:26 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2011  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have the 1701-1800 Krause, these phrases are deciphered right at the back of the book; not at the front as in other centuries.
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Maria Theresia by the grace of God Roman Empress , Queen of Germany,Hungary and Bohemia(Austrian Netherlands)
Archduke of Austria , Duke of Burgundy and Barbant , Count of Flandrs
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 Posted 04/23/2011  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, the legends read as: MAR(ia) TH(eresia) D(ei) G(ratia)R(omanorum) IMP(eratrix) G(ermania) HUN(garia) Boh(emia) R(egina) ARCH(idux) AUS(triae)DUX BURG(undiae) BRAB(antiae) C(omes) FL(andriae) or Maria Theresia, by the grace of God empress of the Roman Empire, archduchess of Austria, duchess of Burgundy and Brabant, countess of Flanders. So, you're right in your assuming. The "DUX" stands for Dux Burgundiae et Brabantiae, which means Duke of Burgundy and Brabant.

Your coin is in fact not an escalin from Brabant, but from Flanders, with the lion mint mark of the Bruges mint
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 Posted 04/23/2011  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your helpful replies. It's good to know what the legend actually means. The image I found quite striking though - which is why I bought it. It is, perhaps unsurprisingly, similar to some of the later Belgian coins in design - the Lion with the sword motif - which is a wonderful depiction in this particular coin.

Bart - thanks for spelling it all out - That's exactly what I was looking for and for the correction on the mint. I wasn't sure if "Brabant" was specific to a mint name or if it was a general term for the region.

All the best
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I have one of these, but not as nice as the one pictured.
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During the time of Austrian rule there were 3 mints operating in the Austrian Netherlands: Bruges (lion mm.) in Flanders and Brussels (angel head mm.) and Antwerp (hand mm.) in Brabant.

Apart of the Austrian Netherlands "Belgian" coins were minted in the prince-bishopry of Liege and by the counts of Reckheim.
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Bart, do you have any idea where Krause has listed the coins from Flanders? I would like to aquire one myself and thought I should check out the Flanders section, but I cannot find it. Flanders are in fact listed, but only under Spanish Netherlands and mintage there ended 1709 - long before Bacchus' coin was minted.
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04/24/2011 04:04 am
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Krause lists these coins under "Austrian Netherlands". There was no difference in legend between the coins minted in Brabant and Flanders during the Austrian occupation. There is only the difference in mintmark, as stated above (Flanders: Bruges - lion; Brabant: Antwerp - hand and Brussels - angel head)
During the Spanish occupation the legend of the Flanders coins ended on C. FL. (Comes Flandriae), while the coins of Brabant ended on DUX (BURG.) BRAB. During the Spanish occupation there were also mints of Brabant which are lying nowadays in the Netherlands, like 's Hertogenbosch and Maastricht.
The mints of Flanders were in Bruges (first lily, changed later to lion, when the Ghent mint closed) and Ghent (lion).

Until the end of the Spanish occupation the mints and the coinage were organised following the old feudal counties and duchies. The Treaty of Utrecht of 1713, which ended the Spanish succesion wars, gave Spain and its colonies to Philip of Anjou, grandson of Louis XIV, while the Spanish territories in Europe (including the Southern Netherlands) were given to the Austrian archduke and Holy Roman emperor Charles VI of Habsburg. From 1713 the Austrians organised the coinage centrally, with only 3 mints in operation: Bruges (Flanders) and Antwerp and Brussels (Brabant). So from 1713 you can't really talk about Flemish or Brabantian coinage: it was Austrian Netherlands coinage. The mint of Bruges closed in 1754 and the mint of Antwerp in 1758. Since then only the mint of Brussels stayed in operation.

There is a gap in the way Krause catalogues the coins of the Austrian Netherlands, as the coins of Charles VI are not listed. Krause starts with Maria Theresia.

The title of this thread shouldn't be Brabant - 1 Escalin, nor Flanders - 1 Escalin, but Austrian Netherlands - 1 Escalin.
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04/24/2011 3:09 pm
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