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Jefferson Nickel Cud?

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This is a 2000 D nickel I found while roll searching. The coin has clearly seen some circulation, but that's a Cud, right? The metal above Jefferson's head is definitely raised. The line coming in towards Jefferson's nose is not a scratch, it looks almost like there was nearly a crack when struck. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on this coin. What might this be worth?


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 Posted 10/11/2011  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a Cud, just a damaged and mutilated nickel. Compare to the below Cud, courtesy of chuckster125-

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 Posted 10/11/2011  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well, I know it doesn't look like other Cuds, but the metal is raised...no damage raises the metal. I think it looked like the other nickel pictured, but severe circulation wore it down to blend in better with the rest of the strike.

I am not sure, that's why I'm asking the forum for its opinion.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does the reverse look like? If it's a Cud, the area directly opposite on the reverse should show lack of detail, due to the metal filling the gap in the die that caused the Cud.

To me, the coin looks slightly bent as well, athough that could just be an illusion
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 Posted 10/11/2011  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very observant Dave, I am thinking it is slightly bent as well. I have seen dozens of Cuds and it looks nothing like any I have ever seen. I have also seen alot of bent coins and the wear pattern fits that quite well. The details on the coin are far too strong to have sustained enough circulation to wear down a huge Cud but bent coins wear in very abnormal ways. A picture of the reverse will be a slam dunk one way or the other.
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I don't have a picture of the reverse right now, but I can say that the area opposite the "possible" Cud is NOT any worse struck than the rest of the reverse. I know that would be evidence to support it not being a Cud but something is still odd with this coin.

The coin is actually not bent, that is an illusion. It literally looks like the planchet wanted to crack while being struck. The picture doesn't show it very well, but the area where the detail is gone at Jefferson's hair is literally above the rest of the coin, as is the parts where the field and lettering is....it just fades down (like from a lot of wear).

I don't see how any post mint damage could raise the metal like that without mutilating the reverse, which it isn't.

I'm not a newbie and I have delt with Cuds before and I'll be honest, I've never seen a Cud look like this.....but I've never seen PMD look like this either. In hand, the coin looks very strange and has me stumped.
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i'd say PMD given how worn it is and all the nicks, interesting though.
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Might be interesting to see in hand. It looks like there MIGHT be a chance of it being a Retained Cud with the obverse being bisected from the E in WE across the head to somewhere around the T in LIBERTY.
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Is it possible that the coin isn't really a " Cud" in the traditional sense, but just a coin that was messed up AT THE MINT and lots of wear has diminished it somewhat. Kind of like it's own error. There is also that appearance of a crack in the planchet, that's not a scratch and not a PMD bend. I am about 75% sure this coin does not have PMD if you saw it in hand.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It almost looks like there's a layer of glue on the top.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just looks like a badly damaged nickel.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe you guys are right. I still think if you saw the coin in person you would be more optimistic about it's possibly being an error. Then again, if I, the owner, am not sure its genuine, and even if it was, I'm not sure exactly what it really is...we have a problem. I don't collect error coins and this piece is ugly and the responses here clearly indicate that it would never garner any interest to sell, so I think I'll put it back into circulation.
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