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TPG Grading Of Acid Dated Coins

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 Posted 10/13/2011  7:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What is the highest grade one of the big three TPG's will give to acid dated coins? If I can bring back ef quality details on a coin will they grade it as an ef even though it was a fair or ag coin before the acid dipping?

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 Posted 10/13/2011  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume they all would just label them as genuine and add a details description for being improperly cleaned and/or damaged. I guess it would also be possible that they would not encapsulate them at all, but I don't for sure.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would think the highest grade they'd get would be AG Details. I know I've seen some in ANACS slabs at least, though it would have to be one of the rare varieties to be worth it. Even a 1913-S t2 is not worth enough acid dated to be worth slabbing.
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 Posted 10/14/2011  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait? Did you say EF quality details. How do you expect to bring back EF quality details on the whole coin from a coin that was Fair or AG as you say.

I don't think PCGS or NGC will slab it at all. ANACS might but it will be an AG (damaged). As has been already stated acid date coins are worth almost nothing regardless of the rest of their appearance. Just as an example my favorite online coin store always has a few acid date nickels. I see a 16-D, and and 16-S selling for $1.45 and $1. Those coins are worth $13 and $10 in G-4. I think I remember they had a 14-D acid date selling for $4 once.

For arguments sake, I should bring up, that on craigslist or maybe even ebay you could probably rip somebody off who was new to collecting buffalos with well done acid dates, but CCF would hate you for it. There is no reason to ever do that to a coin other than curiosity....they're worth nearly nothing
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 Posted 10/14/2011  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gecko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
darn I like these Buffalo coins....
I dont mind if they are worn or acid dipped I want to get me some.
not too far from the post count so I can start trading Aussie coins for some buffalo coins.
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I do not remember ever seeing a Buffalo in a slab where the entire coin has been chemically etched but at least NGC and ANACS will slab Nic-A-Dated Buffaloes. Most are not worth submitting but there are some 1916 DDOs and 1918/7Ds out there with FR2/AG3 Details grades. Those are probably the only two worth submitting as even a treated 1913S TII would only have a value roughly equal to the slabbing fee.
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 Posted 10/14/2011  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I figure if I can acid date the coin back to EF-details there are a few issues I feel it would be worth it to get slabbed if I'm trying to sell them. Slabbed coins generally bring higher premiums, I figure not many people would believe a listing that said an acid dated coin met ef details standards. I have found that etching the entire surface of a coin can bring out all the details that the coin was originally struck with. I havent tried it on buffalos yet, but on other issues it works wonders sometimes.
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I have found that etching the entire surface of a coin can bring out all the details that the coin was originally struck with


Sure would like to see some examples of that if possible.
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I could not pull up ebay at work, but try this google search of acid treated date Buffalos;

http://www.google.com/search?q=acid...=0CBUQ_AUoAQ
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 Posted 10/15/2011  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acid brings up a date on Buffalo nickels by wearing down the entire coin. As the date is higher than the adjacent fields, acid can usually encourage it (or at least a partial of it) to pop out. I think what some of us are wondering is, how is it that wearing down an entire coin can result in a higher grade?
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Because it brings out more details on the surface of the coin. If you look at this 1895 nickel I have up in the grading section, the coin appears to be ef details but it originaly was a fr2 dateless coin.

https://goccf.com/t/100347
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Because it brings out more details on the surface of the coin. If you look at this 1895 nickel I have up in the grading section, the coin appears to be ef details but it originaly was a fr2 dateless coin.


I looked at the picture you provided. I would like to have seen what it looked like origionaly, but I agree if it was an FR-2, you've brought a lot of details out.

However, there is NO way any TPG would grade this EF, it looks horrible. No collector would pay any money for it unless it was a key date, and then they'd pay probably FR-2 money for it, which is where we started.

Like I said, there is no reason to ever treat any coin unless its just as a personal curiosity that you never intend to sell
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Well I'm fairly certain someone will pay more than the 10 cents it cost me to buy it as a dateless f2 v-nickel. If one follows the 10% rule for acid date coins than this coin would be worth $5 or so in EF details. Ill post some before an after pictures the next time I get some dateless vnicks.
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If one follows the 10% rule for acid date coins than this coin would be worth $5 or so in EF details


The 10% rule is off the G-4 price, so no, someone would not pay you $5 for that coin. Since its not a key date, if I got that piece through roll searching or whatever I would throw it back in. The "rule" isn't even so much of a rule, its more like...is this peice worth anything at all?...not really...I'll give you slightly over face for it.

Like I mentioned in a previous post, I saw an acid dated 1914 - D buffalo sell for $4. That coin is MUCH rarer than yours had been treated less, and had better eye appeal. The coin pictured would be worth $.05...maybe you'll get your $.10 back from someone, that's it.
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I sold an acid dated 1914d last month for 19.99 plus shipping and have another up on ebay right now that is going for 7.99 plus shipping with more than 2 days left. You would be suprised what people will pay for acid dated coins.
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Well, no, I am never surprised what SOME people actually pay for coins, but they don't know they are overpaying. Still, a 14-D in G-4 is about $80, so getting $20 for it acid dated is nothing to write home about.....and it happens to be around it's FR-2 price, if not below it. btw, you did mention in the listing that the coin was acid dated, right? Some people can't tell.

Maybe I'll buy up all the acid dated coins from my guy who is selling them for about 10% of G-4 or less, then resell on ebay and allow people to rip themselves off. I personally think they're worthless.
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