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De-Silvering Silvered Coins, Medals, And Tokens...

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Salt solutions and washes were used to silver the surfaces of planchets made of other metals and alloys.

It would seem plausible that a person could later de-silver planchets using similar solvents as a means to capture silver.

I have several 19th century specimens that have the appearance of this possibly happening.

The question is... Has anyone actually heard of people de-silvering coins/medals/tokens?

Thanks,

Cheetah
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never heard of it, but I'm open to new ideas.
as I understand it, coins were generally made from solid planchets.
the only plate that I've heard of, before the 20th century, were fake Spanish dollars, made by the British, to debase their enemy's currency. The pressed base metal between two very thin layers of silver.
the point being, that I doubt that there many coins fit for de-silvering.
I have heard of silver coins being gilded, to be passed off as gold coins: the English shilling and guineau were similar in size and design; also the sixpence and half-guinea.
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Normally, it would not be commercially viable to de-silver a silver washed coin, there is simply not enough silver on the coin to justify the effort and cost.

UNLESS there is some reason to have a bit of fun, and produce a copper coin that would appear if it had not been silvered in the first place.

I have seen a de-silvered jeton like that.
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Thanks guys for the feedback.

Silver washes, pickling, and silvering using salts go back as far as Roman times.

Here's an article in case you're interested: http://www.deepfield.com/anoot/essa...verwash.html

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The approach that the Romans used to give their base metal coins a silver appearance is highly informative.

The Roman Mints in the earlier periods of the Empire I suspect, did, in fact, use the fouree method of placing the base metal blanks in a bath of molten silver, or silver rich alloy, then stuck.

The plating on these coins looks rather thick, certainly more so than on the plated coins of the 2nd Century. I had always suspected that some lead and tin may have been included in the alloy.

Even the official Roman Mints, on occasion, for whatever reason, produced plated coins in the late Republican and early Empire. The population suspected what was going on, and to counter this, the mints produced serrated denarii occasionally.

In modern times, the .500 fine silver coins of Great Britain and her colonial possessions were subjected to an acid pickling process (blanching), before being struck. The .500 coins are made from 'Quaternary Metal', which is an alloy of 500 silver, 400 copper 50 nickel and 50 zinc parts per 1000.

The base metals of the blanks were leached out of the surface in the pickling process, leaving a spongy nearly pure sliver surface layer. The blanks were then thoroughly rinsed. The spongy surface was re compressed during the striking process, and less striking pressure was required.

The Incas also used an acid enrichment process on their gold objects. They found that gold alloy was stronger and harder. After pickling for surface enrichment of the gold, the surface was reworked with hand beating.

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Another way to silver or gold plate was to make up an amalgam of silver and mercury or silver and gold and rub the amalgam over the surface of the metal to be plated. The mercury will cause a film of the amalgam to cover the surface of the object. It is then heated to drive off the mercury leaving the silver or gold behind.

Easiest way to de-plate would probably be reverse electroplating. Use an electrolyte that contains the same metal ions that you are wanting to remove and it will more readily remove those than the other material.
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