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Pillar of the Community
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Nope, this thread isn't about driving views to my auctions. Instead, it's about getting advice on how to get rolling. I've got a personal ebay account with over 200 transactions and no negative feedback. Had it for almost 10 years. But now I wish to create a new account for stuff I want to sell for my biz. I've got about 10 morgans, 20 Mercuries, and 30 Walkers, with some assorted Buffalos, etc that I'll be wanting to sell. Will ya'll please advise on how to strategically proceed? I'm particularly worried about the lack of bids for a seller that has no / little feedback. And I darn well don't want to sell any coins below melt value! Thoughts? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why don't you want to use the same account? Although it isn't seller feedback, people will just see a 100% feedback rating on 200 transactions unless they actually click on you. That will help. Since I literally just put up my first listings last night I am hardly an expert, but I've learned a few things so far. Good pictures are a must. You don't have to waste money paying for multiple pictures. Just put up your one free one then put the rest in the description. Pay attention to the listing category. I've made some good scores from people putting the item in the wrong place. I think the quality of the coin you have and your images are going to be more important than your feedback score. ebay is so skewed towards the buyer in terms of when something goes wrong with a sale that they feel more comfortable on new sellers than they might have been long ago.
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Pillar of the Community
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Because the coins belong to my biz. I'd rather keep my personal ebay account away from my biz partner. Also, the paypal account needs to tap my biz bank, not my personal one. I just wanted to keep things clean.
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- Good pictures - Accurate / up-front descriptions (no long BS stories) - Right price - Return Policy
With the coins you listed you probably will go right around melt unless you've got some key dates or BU grades.
List a few and get a feel for it, it's definitely different then you might imagine.
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Yeah, the "melt" topic seems to permeate the entire market on silver coins. I think I'm gonna postpone putting any Morgans on ebay. I'll start with the better condition Mercs which should easily go for above melt. I'll tread lightly.
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I won't turn this into an ebay bash post other than just to say I dislike that company. As far as price, you can start your auctions at any price you want. So you should never really lose money. If you go too high it won't sell though. You can then relist. You get 50 free listings every month. After that you get charged fees even if the item doesn't sell. The fee structure is explained pretty well on the site. Your higher grade Mercs probably won't sell for much more than melt unless we're talking BUs or better date. It's tough for new sellers to get good sales. Established sellers sometimes get absurd high prices on their coins just because so many people know them and see their auctions...enough idiots buy from them. New sellers will frequently struggle to beat the wholesale price of coins. Case in point...I recently watched a bunch of BU Roosies. This one established seller had his coins (common date MS63s mind you) selling for like $7...those coins are only $4.50 on retail internet sites and would be even less at a coin shop. I saw another new guy selling the same coins listed right next to his getting like 1 bid and selling for $2.25. The new guy's coin was just sitting there for around $2.....and you had the same coin from the established seller already a $5 getting bid up some more by like 3 or 4 buyers. People are so dumb sometimes and on ebay, you need to have sold for a while before you get the benefit of the stupid clientele. The economy is down and the non PM coin industry is down. You'll get more sales than at a brick and mortar store by simple exposure, but as a new seller expect to be selling barely above wholesale...and after all your ebay fees, you'll be at about wholesale. Just a warning, ebay is far from a magical profit land for coin sellers.
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When I went the same way you're going, I converted my "personal" account to be "selling coins only" and established a new account for personal dealings. That way I already had built-in Feedback.  The personal account was far more about purchases than sales (ass I assume is the case for you), and gave me an account with which I could buy for later resale on my selling account without the purchase showing up. When I do that, I always hold the purchase until it drops off the "recent" record.
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I never thought about that SuperDave. I'm just starting into ebay selling myself and I think a lot of my stock will come from under priced ebay listings that I want to flip. I never considered the fact that someone could search what I bought and see that the coin I'm selling for $20 I got for $5. Maybe I'll make a second account too. Oh, a random thought on this subject. There is a high volume seller that sells his coins in 2x2s that are covered with colored marker writing and stickers (one says "same price as 4 pizzas!). I'm sure he thinks it draws more attention to him. At least with me the opposite is true, I refuse to even look at the listings because just seeing those pictures in the search results drives me nuts! Basically, the garbage around the coin distracts from the coin itself. Don't let that happen with your listing.
Edited by Saruma 10/18/2011 3:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Established sellers sometimes get absurd high prices on their coins just because so many people know them and see their auctions...enough idiots buy from them. New sellers will frequently struggle to beat the wholesale price of coins.
I'd noticed that also. And the way I'd interpreted that is, "See? Folks DO get good prices on coins on ebay! You should do this!"   Thanks for the comment.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:
When I went the same way you're going, I converted my "personal" account to be "selling coins only" and established a new account for personal dealings. That way I already had built-in Feedback.
The personal account was far more about purchases than sales (ass I assume is the case for you), and gave me an account with which I could buy for later resale on my selling account without the purchase showing up. When I do that, I always hold the purchase until it drops off the "recent" record.
Wow. Thanks for that advice. I hadn't thought of that. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Think about how you're going to pack and ship the coins. Search the forum for ideas. Try to get a good method that's cheap and repeatable and reliable. Easier said than done. Think about if you will be using delivery confirmation / insurance / etc...
Poor packing or shipping is a frequent cause of complaints. The machines that handle the mail frequently cause problems. One lost coin can take all of your profit.
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It's started, folks. I placed auctions for 5 coins last night on the ebay. If you want to see one, check out 1921 Merc rotated die. You can then find the rest of my auctions. I went with your suggestions on free shipping and a return policy. Now to figure out how I'm gonna ship. :-)
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United States
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I'm still a neophyte, but I've seen others make fun of and downplay Zack's listing as well. Most of his coins are incredibly OVER-GRADED. Thus most are not worth even looking at. But he has SO MANY listings in so many coins types that I have run across a few bargains and bought half a dozen or so coins from him in the last 6 months - including two certified PCGS gems. I don't find the "stickers" that annoying or eye-catching. They don't draw me - or turn me off. But I don't automatically dismiss every listing of his either - as I said I have found a couple nice bargains in the mass of listings he has. The ones I do AVOID COMPLETELY are those that SCRUB their silver coins - and some scrub and color pennies as well - so shamelessly and sickeningly ( vette1968,theconsignmenthub,aboncom,scardinal and a few others ). I am constantly AMAZED at their relatively hi feedback scores when ALL THEY LIST 100% are totally ruined and altered coins that look AWFUL. Abancom is a major scammer that uses basement slabbing and "stock photos" to boot - he should be booted IMO as he doesn't admit to the stock photos in the listings. Those folks ALL disgust me, and IMO should be banned, and yet they sell a lot of coins and people leave good feedback! Amazing. Zack's(2997blue),GreatSouthern are angels comparatively, IMO. Or at least they have some nice coins here and there in their avalanche of listings and auctions. Two sellers I used to be wary of (bubbasully,sweetwater) I've now been happy with, as the few purchases I made ended up being great coins at fair pricepoints. Thanks for this thread folks, I too will probably be selling some soon - up to now have done nothing but BUY. Quote: Oh, a random thought on this subject. There is a high volume seller that sells his coins in 2x2s that are covered with colored marker writing and stickers (one says "same price as 4 pizzas!). I'm sure he thinks it draws more attention to him. At least with me the opposite is true, I refuse to even look at the listings because just seeing those pictures in the search results drives me nuts! Basically, the garbage around the coin distracts from the coin itself. Don't let that happen with your listing.
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United States
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I offer free shipping on Silver sales, so the buyers can buy the coin, and, not the extra fees...with pre-printed ebay labels, small orders are mailed for about 1.75-2.35...the higher bids seem to negate the shipping costs... I take pictures of multiple coin orders(with the label-printed mailing envelope, and, the coins from order next to envelope, to keep scammers from crying "I only got 4/5 coins", a common practice....NEVER state a coin grade on raw coins, or, state a slabbed coin "might grade higher"...scammers now can buy coins for possible regrade higher, and, if deemed not possible, ask for a return, and know how to play the "open a case" game, and, ALWAYS win, so, keep raw coins ungraded, and, just state the grade for slabbed coins as is, with no "should be MS67" hype, or it will haunt you...ALWAYS use delivery confirmation, and, Signature conf. on sales over 200 dollars(or, just buy Insurance for 201, which forces a signature)... Because ebay does not allow sellers to leave negative feedback, it's a dangerous ocean to sail now....99% of sales go fine, then, wham, a doozie shows up...happens to all of us... I have changed my feedback policy, due to this..I don't leave feedbacks now until the buyer leaves me one...I used to give one right after payment, but, after a few returns due to "changed mind", I stopped.... Clear pics of BOTH sides of coins a must, and, any issues must be noted(hairlines, improper cleaning, funky toning, etc...)or, it comes back to bite you... Honesty is the best policy...full refunds a must, but, buyer pays return costs, and, I give a 3 day max. limit for deciding. Calvin Calvin
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United States
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Quote: have changed my feedback policy, due to this..I don't leave feedbacks now until the buyer leaves me one As a buyer I feel that I have done my part, by purchase and paying, if done timely. I should get positive FB. As a seller I will leave FB for the buyer, if they pay right away. Besides you can't leave neg for the buyer anyway. The problem I have had is buyers win with low FB score, and they don't pay. What a pain.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lobby,
I have sold a lot of coins on E-Bay this past season and have a few things which I think may help you. This is just my experience, and I do not claim to be an expert by any means.
This said, please read all these seeing how they are not listed in order of importance. They are all important and need to be used in unison.
1.) Determine whether your coin will sell better as an Open Auction or better as a Buy-It-Now auction. Personally, I created a spreadsheet which automatically determines the better price outcome on any coin I decide to sell.
2.) Realize that you are going to pay approximately 12% in fees. So, if you are selling a coin for $10, you will only clear about $8.80 of the sell. You must figure this into your price before you place your coin for sale. Failure to do so can hurt your bottom line.
3.) Research the coin you are about to sell and see how similar sales of the coin have done. This will give you some idea of how the current market is viewing your coin and help you determine if you wish to sell it or wait for better times.
4.) To avoid a "Reserve" fee on your listing, simply make it an Open Auction with a STARTING BID. For example, if you know the current current going price for a Silver Eagle is $40, start your open bidding around $35. If the $35 is not met, it is not likely a Buy It Now of $40 would have been met either.
5.) Make sure you have good pictures of your coin. A good picture and make or break a listing quicker than you may realize.
6.) PLAN you selling time for your coin. Keep in mind the listing time quoted is in PST. This is three hours earlier than the East Coast. Think about when more people will be on E-Bay looking at your coins. If you can plan your auction to end at an opportune time, more eyes will see the coin and this will likely increase your bottom dollar.
7.) I normally do not leave positive Feedback until the buyer leaves positive feedback. You may even note such in your listing. Also let the customer know whether the coin can be returned or not and how the shipping cost, etc, will be handled. Personally, I do not allow silver coins to be returned due to the volatile fluctuations in the price of silver. Listing this as a reason seems to be accepted and well taken.
I hope this advise helps you in some way.
Kenscott
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