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Need help to ID coins. thanks in advance.



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 Posted 10/23/2011  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazarus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is IMP LICINIUS AVG
CONSERVATIO
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 Posted 10/23/2011  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a Licinius II AE Follis with a reverse of IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS, Jupiter standing left, chlamys across shoulder, leaning on sceptre, holding Victory on globe, captive at feet. I just haven't found it with the S in the right field yet.

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 Posted 10/23/2011  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks guys that points me in the right direction, when I was in washington state someone told me that putting ancients in an oven at 400 degrees for a few hours would help clean coins, that the dirt would just brush off has anyone heard much on cleaning coins this way? I was told this back in 2005 and never really tried it but its always been on my mind.
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Placing it in a oven seems kind of risky to me. The heat could change the color of the metal or cause it to crack. I never tried it either, but I could be wrong. I wouldn't mind finding out either.
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 Posted 10/23/2011  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never tried this because I heard they used to get silver out of lead deposits and I dont know where they got the copper from, so I figured that I would maybe try this with a kiln sometime in the future but never got to it.
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 Posted 10/23/2011  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe you could try it on a coin that isn't worth much and you don't mind losing it, if something bad happens.
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 Posted 10/23/2011  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah I'm gonna try it when I go back to school in january in a kiln for pottery, with a coin from one of my uncleaned lots I get.
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Sounds like a great idea to me. Let me know how it turns out and of course other people.
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Ill post, thanks for the input Gil-galad!
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 Posted 10/24/2011  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I put a Conctantine AE4 in an oven once, just to see if that would help it.

Result? Total loss of the coin. The coin was worth very little to start with.
Just as well! I'll NEVER do that again!
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sorry to hear that sel_691, maybe I should hold off on that then. thanks for the advice.
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 Posted 10/24/2011  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, this coin has been bothering me since you posted it yesterday, so today I got up and did more research and I finally found it. It is an AE Follis of Licinius I, RIC VII Antioch 27, minted between 317-320 AD:

OBV: IMP LICINIVS AVG, laureate bust left in imperial mantle, holding globe & mappa
REV: IOVI CONSERVATORI AVGG, Jupiter standing left holding Victory & sceptre, captive at foot left, officina letter right (in this case "S"), SMANT in ex.

This is the best match and I think everything fits. The legend on the front is what made me go back to Licinius I rather then II. I should note that RIC lists this coin as R1 for rarity.

Sorry for my lapse in finding this coin. No excuse.

Regards,

JW
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thanks again for the input JW, I was looking all over and to tell the truth I didnt know where to start since I couldnt read the legend. What is R1 is that like usa coins meaning common?
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Actually, when RIC was being put together, the researchers concluded that certain coins were more rare then others so they gave them ratings. We've had this discussion before as well on this forum, but the rarity ratings generally mean very little. As more hoards have been found, for instance, obviously what was considered rare in the 1930's may not be so today. There are other reasons as well, such as the researchers only looked at major collections and museums and did not take into account small private collections.

But to answer your question, RIC would rate a coin "C" if common, and R1-R5 if considered rare. R5 being the more rare then R1.

I need to emphasize that these ratings are most generally not accurate any longer. But it is something to catalog with your coins, and it is nice to know information.

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Thats good to know. Since I got this coin in an uncleaned lot,I think its more common then the rating suggests. Thanks for the info. Off to work I go...
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