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 Posted 12/25/2006  09:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As part of my commitment to being a worthy Knight, it's time to expand my interests into Australian coinage. Unfortunately, I know virtually nothing of the subject. I have seen enough to determine that I am most interested in early-issue (both British and early Australian), larger-denomination coinage, perhaps including gold. I have also determined to complete the two-coin set of 1937-38 Crowns, first on my list.

Could someone educate me regarding what I need to know here? I've already picked up on the differences regarding grading, but I lack pretty much everything else. I'm going to want to stick to Uncirculated or near-Uncirculated examples.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you might be able to render.
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 Posted 12/25/2006  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAve there are some neat and inexpensive examples of american minted Aussie Pre -decimal coins with I think is the Australian Crest (really Nice)coins from WWII Time frame , just food for thought
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 Posted 12/25/2006  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave, here is a couple of links that may help you, if you don't already have them.

http://www.aussie-coins.com/
http://www.cruzis-coins.com/

Steve
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 Posted 12/25/2006  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave I would suggest you get a copy of the latest Macca's....almost an essential reference to Aussie coins.
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 Posted 12/26/2006  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm always quite taken with the early gold coins myself... so pretty. Gotta love the aussie coins!
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 Posted 12/26/2006  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A quick precis on the Australian crown...

In 1936, King George V died. They decided that the new king's coinage should have a completely new look, and the extended period of uncertainty owing to the Edward VIII abdication fiasco gave them plenty of time to consider what changes to make to the coinage. No coins were actually issued for circulation in any of the "normal" denominations in 1937.

One thing they had decided upon was that Australia would make it's first crown - a commemorative for the coronation of the new king (whoever that might end up being). The design was largely based on the "Christmas crowns" Britain was issuing annually at the time - a large crown in the centre, with words around. Curiously, the design of the coins make no mention of the royal event they're supposed to be commemorating. Perhaps this was to give the mint "plausible deniability" in the event the coronation was cancelled or postponed.

The coins were unpopular with the general public from the start. Australians had not seen crowns in change since the time of Queen Victoria. Nor did we have the intermediate denomination of half-crown that Britain, New Zealand, South Africa and Rhodesia had. They were just too big. They soon picked up the nickname "Casey's Cartwheels" - "Casey" being Treasurer Richard Casey, the government official responsible for authorising their issue.

They were, however, kept as souvenirs, and the handful of people in Australia you could call "coin collectors" loved them. Treasury apparently took this as a sign that the coin was popular, so authorised the issue to continue into 1938, with identical design. This somewhat destroyed the commemorative nature of the 1937 pieces.

In any event, Treasury eventually got wind of the fact that the general public loathed the things, and stopped making them. The 1937 issue has a higher mintage, and was more likely to have been "kept" as a souvenir - so the value of 1938 crowns is much higher than 1937.

The mintage figures aren't really indicative of the number of surviving specimens - as with most of our sterling silver coinage, many crowns would have been exported to the USA as scrap silver, to help pay for our defence during WWII. There were also rumours that hundreds of thousands of crowns were sold cheaply to nationalist China prior to WWII - if true, these coins would have been restruck into Sun Yat Sen dollars.

You certainly didn't see them in change after WWII. My parents (both born during the war years) never saw one until I brought mine home from the coin dealer.

Two other things to note when seeking high-grade crowns. Though ostensibly a commemorative, they were made and treated just like any other circulating coin - and fared even worse during the process, due to their large size and heavy weight. As a result, finding specimens without bag-marks and scratches can be difficult. Finally, they seem to tone very easily, with grey-to-brown toning common on most specimens I've seen. Blast-white examples are likely to have been cleaned/dipped.
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Thank you very much, Sap. That was precisely the information I required regarding the Crown set.

And thank the rest of you, as well. I shall be following all links and looking up all books recommended.
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 Posted 12/26/2006  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope you have lots of fun collection our Aussie coins and congrats on 1400 posts.

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 Posted 12/26/2006  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The crown is a beautiful coin. It's one of my favourites. I think I mentioned that in the favourites thread. As mentioned they have the usual silver problems though. Personally I don't care if they have been cleaned, as long as they haven't been badly scratched in the process.
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I would like to add a crown to my collection. Can anyone provide an approximate price for one?
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Gary, here is a link to Bigfella's coin shop, he has a few crowns there. http://www.newcastlecoins.com.au/
Must get one myself, oneday.

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1937 Crown/Five Shillings:
Very Good $12.00, Fine $16.00, Very Fine $22.00, Extra Fine $45.00, About Uncirculated $90.00, Uncirculated $180.00

1938 Crown/Five Shillings:
Very Good $65.00, Fine $85.00, Very Fine $115.00, Extra Fine $225.00, About Uncirculated $450.00, Uncirculated $900.00

Hope that this information is helpful, Gary!
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